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Yale - help me out here...
Clarify what you are saying. Do you think RB1 is correct to refuse to show up (and get his entire OL on board) because his coach was wearing a certain t-shirt in a pic on social media? Because RB1 is reacting to the shirt, not to any quotes from 2 years ago.
And on a side note - most people who lean conservative believe that a liberal mindset is what is wrong with a lot of things today. And most people who lean liberal believe that a conservative mindset is what is wrong with the world today. And both of those views are OK. And neither one is right or wrong.
If we are that intolerant of those who disagree with us - to the point of taking our ball and going home - then this whole thing is going to crumble. If the reaction is "Oh H**L no, I'm out" I am not sure how anyone gets better through this.
Fox News has said some horrible things before. CNN has said some horrible things before. So has MSNBC, and even though I have never heard of this site/channel before (OAN?), I am sure they have as well. Does wearing a shirt from any of these places mean that you agree with everything they have done or said?
On a practical note - anyone who wears anything that could be construed as polarizing right now is a moron. I have a much bigger problem with his general judgement, and can't really get past that part of it right now. Buy a pack of solid-color Fruit-of-the-Looms and rock them...
this gives it some context. OAN is to the right of Fox News.
seconded on wearing plain tshirts. If only the coaches could find some kind of store like academy or dicks that could provide them with team apparel to wear
I gave that as an example to show this isn't about Gundy having a different political ideology from many of his players as another poster suggested. The players know Gundy is very conservative and often criticizes "liberalism", but none of his players have tried to "cancel" him over that.
OAN pushed a crazy conspiracy theory about the old man from Buffalo who suffered a fractured skull and brain damage at the hands of police to justify police brutality. I'm assuming this is why Chuba is mad, but OAN has published lots of crazy things. The Buffalo man is just the latest nonsense.
There is a limit for tolerating the intolerant, and Chuba probably draws that line at supporting police brutality. He's leveraging his status as an All-American running back by threatening not to play to resolve the situation. What else can he do to force a conversation? Gundy can address the team and find out why that shirt upset them and have a conversation about how his political views don't affect his support of them as people in society and give a public statement disavowing whatever view his players thought he was endorsing with that shirt. Probably police brutality. That's all the players likely want. I mean seriously would it kill him to tweet racism and police brutality are bad? I think most people agree on those things.
Gundy isn't known to say or do smart things in front of cameras.
Seriously... I have been teaching/coaching at the same place for 15 years. 95% of my wardrobe is just school gear - period. Any other t-shirt I own came out of a plastic package. He's coached at OSU forever. How does he own anything else? My man makes millions of dollars a year. It's a good gig - why would you mess it up. They let you have a freakin' mullet and keep your job. Don't wear your personal t-shirts ANY PLACE where you can be photographed. Kyrie wears Flat Earth t-shirts all the time around the house, but he leaves them at home...
On a side note - my Academy and Dicks ONLY SELLS orange or garnet stuff. It is really, really annoying. The color orange doesn't enter my home, much less end up on me. It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to find good, simple UGA stuff here. If anyone sees any XXXL Dawg stuff that is simple and RED, please have it shipped this way. Any political or news stuff will be used as kindling immediately...
It has the potential be a great learning and growing moment for everyone involved, but it could turn into another partisan battle in the ongoing culture war. I'm hoping for the former.
Gundy is the uncle you have that tells you two jokes at a time. The first one is hilarious. The second one makes you feel like you need a shower.
I think RB1 SHOULD use his platform to force that conversation. And I think those conversations should be had in front of the team leadership, or the entire team if necessary. I just cringe when these things take place in the social media arena first. But, if this is what it takes for change to take place, then maybe that is where it needs to go.
The coach in me always defaults to "keeping things inside the locker room" for the team's sake. But, if the transparency of these issues allows for more impact on society and our culture, then people like me have to be willing to let go of our normal hang-ups and be willing to change, I guess. I do not like it one bit - but "uncomfortable for the good of the whole" seems to be the theme of 2020.
So should we edit Gundy's name in the OP's title too?
Asking for a friend or maybe not.....
That's a fair criticism, and I agree in personal situations you should always try to handle it internally before going public. Airing dirty laundry and all that. I think a difference here is that this was already out in the social media world and maybe the players wanted to signal they didn't support it to avoid a being silent is complicit situation.
RB1 can sit this year and head to the NFL. It’s RB1s choice. Gundy isn’t caring about any of the (obviously) contrary beliefs he has.
Chances are RB1s beliefs are just as “crazy”. Many of our left leaning guys here believe the Pres was a deep plant KGB agent because “their” News pushed it for 2 years before it magically disappeared.
try being like at @Canedawg2140. We disagree with each other politically, but we have productive conversations by asking thoughtful questions and provide good faith answers to understand the other person's perspective and come to a mutual understanding. We need more of that in America and he's setting a good example. Frankly, its something I need to get better at as well. Coming in here with this victim mentality and presenting a caricature of your political opponents doesn't help.
You’ve got a point....
It still has to work with mutual respect. Condemning Gundy for his choice based on your view/opinion doesn’t help the matter.
Almost everyone in my family is a hardcore conservative, and I understand the Fox News brand of conservative. I disagree with it, but I understand and I'm not going to get worked up over them watching it. We have actual conversations about the stuff they watch on there. OANN is a different beast, and I'd be disappointed if my family started watching it and taking it seriously. The stuff on there is pretty outlandish, and I haven't seen any redeeming qualities from them. Even Fox News has some decent people outside of the opinion hosts.
Sounds glorious...
and somewhat disturbing.
I am still feeling weird about all this because of a t-shirt on social media. We gotta be able to handle a t-shirt, don't we? I understand in the context of past quotes, it's not that simple I guess.
But then I remember the shirt Dabo wore (seriously, can you be that out of touch) and I remember again how easy it would be to find a shirt that said, well, nothing on it, and I realize that Gundy asked for this.
My brother in law has a Reagan/Bush '84 t-shirt. I may mail one to Gundy, tell him to keep it right-of-moderate instead of right of... well... RIGHT....
...if he has to be political.
Don't give that up for free. I'm sure someone is willing to pay good money for it.