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Your straw man argument and accusation of backpedaling is arguing over semantics. Functionally, there is no difference between not having an opinion and having an opinion and never voicing it. Additionally, this entire conversation has been about the white Clemson coach telling black players they can't even use the N-word between each other. That established this was about white people voicing their opinions on the N-word to black people and expecting that to have merit. It's not a purely philosophical discussion on whether it's ok for white people to merely have thoughts about the N-word which is absurd and doesn't need to be addressed. You've either misconstrued my position to maintain a moral high ground while voicing a difficult to defend position or you were mistaken on the topic. The Black community as a fantasy is odd. There is "The Black Community" which is regarded as shared experiences among Blacks living in America. There are also several black communities in America as in a high concentration of Black people living in one area due in part to decades of policies meant to disadvantage them. In a vacuum, telling someone they can't have an opinion based on skin color does sound offensive. However, we are discussing a word that for hundreds of years was used by white people to dehumanize Black people. It was spewed with as much hate that can be mustered by lynch mobs before they killed innocent Black people. It's likely the last thing Arbery heard before he died on the street for the crime of jogging, so no, it's not offensive to say white people can't have an opinion on it.
Let's keep it moving on the topic of Dabo and his assistant coach. Thanks
I hope Dabo keeps talking.
Skip's opinion on the matter and I'm sure we all know how opinionated he can be:
I don’t think he’s wrong in this case. Dabo looks unaware at best here.
He can plead ignorance, but I question how many kids, and more importantly their parents are buying his act today.
Doesnt want kids paid, doesn’t think there’s a race issue, situationally unaware/tone deaf, while still playing a victim...not a good look from someone who’s been making all the right moves last 5-6 years.
I'm honestly not sure he can play the unaware or ignorance card. There are so many African Americans he works with on a daily basis that it would be impossible for them to at least not have a deep discussion.
I can also see how this would effect the recruiting trail moving forward (players and parents). My question would be when does it pop up though. This cycle? Next cycle? Should be interesting to watch.
He can’t claim the unaware/ignorant card, but there’s a difference between him being a buffoon publicly and the culture around his program. The issue with the coach seems poorly handled, at best, but it’s different from what we’re hearing/seeing out of Iowa and Utah.
These families are capable of discerning whether Dabo has a real issue on matters of race or whether he just sounds like an idiot when addressing those issues publicly.
Yeah that’s why I said at best, he looks unaware. Dabo is who he is, it’s probably not an act. If he knew better, he’d do better. Your question is a spot on one, when will there be an impact, if any impact? No one knows...
Safe to say though, Dabo is far from being “woke”. Being woke matters, especially in his position. If he thinks a white coach can use the N-word, even in a teaching moment, he’s wrong. Message OK, delivery is terrible; doesn’t he have black staff members? Probably best to let them have the “come to Jesus talk”. I thought Watson would come out and defend him, I was clearly wrong. That’s a greater indicator of some major challenges there.
If he thinks players shouldn’t be paid, while he pockets ~$8M annually, he’s wrong. If he’s unaware of how it looks and sounds as he stands on his righteous pedestal, he’s ignorant.
If he thinks he can wear a “football matters” shirt, in the height of the BLM movement and social unrest in his lifetime, and not be questioned, he’s an idiot. Clearly that shirt is inspired by the marketing movement of BLM and he’s the only high profile du.mbass to pull out that shirt in today’s climate and then spin it that folks are trying to assassinate his character. All while fielding a team that’s at least 80% black. Oh and he doesn’t think a race issue exists in our society. Yikes?! Sin issue??? Yeah he might want to dig deeper into slavery and how the Bible was used in messaging to subdue the passion of African slaves by white **** owners and obeying their masters, as if the **** owners were walking Gods. Yep, it’s far fetched, but someone is going to draw that parallel in their household when his staff is making their pitch.
We each make our own bed, and he doesn’t appear to be as bullet proof as I thought he was. We’ll see what happens.
I feel like when they said the situation was 'handled internally', my first question was is it just between the player and coach and that's it? Or was it brought up in front of the entire team and addressed like it should always be. The reactions to the initial statement leads me to believe that the team as a whole never actually had closure on the situation. Seems like some players still had questions or needed to at least be heard at least. That would be an issue if he was recruiting me or my family members.
When I saw the 'football matters' shirt I literally laughed out loud and not in a good way. There wasn't a single person in his circle or that was involved with the PR for CU that said 'Hey! Might not be the best time' or something! That was a failure on multiple levels.
Needless to say, the "lil ol' Clemson" and "lil ol' Dabo" routine will be ringing pretty hollow from now on. Nothing wrong with being a shark, but you better be a Saban and own it. Even Urban Meyer liked to play dumb once in a while but at least he was smart enough to leave the house before it really started burning.
I don't like Dabo. He has his defenders here for one reason or another. But his whole handling of these issues the last few weeks have been very poor
I imagine some of us get mistaken for being Dabo "defenders" just because we refuse to pile on. All I've tried to say is that I don't know the man well enough to judge him, and I still don't know the details of the assistant coach incident enough to have a meaningful opinion there either.
Florida and Tennessee fans like to criticize our program and our coach because they wish they could be where we are. So it makes me feel uncomfortable when we criticize Bama and Clemson, because I don't want to be like the Gators and Vols. I think we're better than that.
We have a top notch coach who's built an excellent program and we're on the verge of greatness. I can't wait 'til we reach the mountaintop. Hopefully this is the year.
For the record, I wasn't thinking about you when I said that.
but going off your point...Florida and Tennessee fans, all they say about Kirby is he has a bad haircut and they're paying players. Kirby hasn't said anything that made me cringe like Dan MuLLLen, Urban, or Dabo (in the last month in particular). And yes i'm including the HBTFD comment. If anything, that comment made me more happy he was our coach. This last month he's revealed his true character.
I'm more show, not tell. And Dabo feels like the king of tell
No worries Kasey. I knew you weren't targeting me, and I know everyone has lots of opinions on this matter. I don't claim to be right. Just felt like what I had to say was worth saying.
You might be okay with Kirby saying what he did that night, but I bet I’ve got you beat. I just had a jersey made with HBTFD on the back for a name.
Back on topic: What respect I had for Dabo died this month.
Dabo is Dabo. He's a cheerleader, and most people who don't wear orange glasses don't care for him. He's the coach at Clemson, so I can't like him.
But, he's not Urban - who gives me the impression he traded his soul for his rings.
And he's not Bobby Petrino, who traded those rings to Urban and harvested his soul for eternity...