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I’m sorry, but Fox has got to go.

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  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 2018

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

    Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

    Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

    We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
    We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

    Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

    I remember every season since 1980.
    We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
    We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
    We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

    Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

    We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    Well, have you guys noticed that we have no point guard play whatsoever.

    This team cannot get the ball downcourt and we have no “quarterback”

    Could you imagine this squad with Vern Fleming?

    It would still be scratching for a tourney bid.
    That is who we are.
    Only a new HC and mindset has a chance of altering that reality.> @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

    Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

    Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

    We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
    We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

    Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

    I remember every season since 1980.
    We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
    We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
    We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

    Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

    We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

    We don't have to accept past ideas and limitations of our program, we just seem caught in it's negativity.
    The ONLY question is whether fans would support a program if we got the right staff and gave them elite support.
    Would fans turn out if we became an exciting basketball team with REAL possibilities to actually COMPETE for titles ?
    We know Fox's limitations, either we're in it to win or we're not.

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  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    Well, have you guys noticed that we have no point guard play whatsoever.

    This team cannot get the ball downcourt and we have no “quarterback”

    Could you imagine this squad with Vern Fleming?

    It would still be scratching for a tourney bid.
    That is who we are.
    Only a new HC and mindset has a chance of altering that reality.> @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

    Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

    Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

    We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
    We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

    Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

    I remember every season since 1980.
    We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
    We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
    We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

    Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

    We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

    We don't have to accept past ideas and limitations of our program, we just seem caught in it's negativity.
    The ONLY question is whether fans would support a program if we got the right staff and gave them elite support.
    Would fans turn out if we became an exciting basketball team with REAL possibilities to actually COMPETE for titles ?
    We know Fox's limitations, either we're in it to win or we're not.

    What is attendance like this year? I thought it might be increasing.

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  • sigmtndawgsigmtndawg Posts: 15 ✭✭ Sophomore

    I'm afraid Bankwalker is right on the stepping stone point. However, UF has had success, and let me tell you, the O'Connell Center is fractionally better than Stegeman, IF AT ALL. I've never been to SCAR's arena, but is it any good either? They're having success with Frank Martin. You CANNOT compare the football coaching change to this though! We knew we were getting CKS, and even if that hadn't worked out, we would have gotten another excellent coach. Basketball is much more of a risk. Does anybody want to go back to Felton or the guy who followed Tubby (can't remember his name)? I'm sick of HOPING for a shot at the big dance and settling for the NIT, but I'd hate to get even worse than we are now.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    Well, have you guys noticed that we have no point guard play whatsoever.

    This team cannot get the ball downcourt and we have no “quarterback”

    Could you imagine this squad with Vern Fleming?

    It would still be scratching for a tourney bid.
    That is who we are.
    Only a new HC and mindset has a chance of altering that reality.> @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

    Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

    Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

    We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
    We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

    Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

    I remember every season since 1980.
    We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
    We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
    We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

    Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

    We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

    We don't have to accept past ideas and limitations of our program, we just seem caught in it's negativity.
    The ONLY question is whether fans would support a program if we got the right staff and gave them elite support.
    Would fans turn out if we became an exciting basketball team with REAL possibilities to actually COMPETE for titles ?
    We know Fox's limitations, either we're in it to win or we're not.

    What is attendance like this year? I thought it might be increasing.

    I'm not sure I understand your question.

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  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    Well, have you guys noticed that we have no point guard play whatsoever.

    This team cannot get the ball downcourt and we have no “quarterback”

    Could you imagine this squad with Vern Fleming?

    It would still be scratching for a tourney bid.
    That is who we are.
    Only a new HC and mindset has a chance of altering that reality.> @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

    Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

    Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

    We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
    We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

    Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

    I remember every season since 1980.
    We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
    We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
    We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

    Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

    We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

    We don't have to accept past ideas and limitations of our program, we just seem caught in it's negativity.
    The ONLY question is whether fans would support a program if we got the right staff and gave them elite support.
    Would fans turn out if we became an exciting basketball team with REAL possibilities to actually COMPETE for titles ?
    We know Fox's limitations, either we're in it to win or we're not.

    What is attendance like this year? I thought it might be increasing.

    I'm not sure I understand your question.

    I meant attendance seems to be greater than in previous years....more folks attending games...due maybe to the good start the team had this year.

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  • andrews1253andrews1253 Posts: 427 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

    Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

    Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

    We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
    We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

    Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

    I haven't been able to watch the Dawgs since Tubby went to Kentucky. Just do not see any commitment there. Record will bear that out.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    Well, have you guys noticed that we have no point guard play whatsoever.

    This team cannot get the ball downcourt and we have no “quarterback”

    Could you imagine this squad with Vern Fleming?

    It would still be scratching for a tourney bid.
    That is who we are.
    Only a new HC and mindset has a chance of altering that reality.> @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @UnderDog68 said:
    Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

    Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

    Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

    We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
    We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

    Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

    I remember every season since 1980.
    We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
    We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
    We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

    Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

    We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

    We don't have to accept past ideas and limitations of our program, we just seem caught in it's negativity.
    The ONLY question is whether fans would support a program if we got the right staff and gave them elite support.
    Would fans turn out if we became an exciting basketball team with REAL possibilities to actually COMPETE for titles ?
    We know Fox's limitations, either we're in it to win or we're not.

    What is attendance like this year? I thought it might be increasing.

    I'm not sure I understand your question.

    I meant attendance seems to be greater than in previous years....more folks attending games...due maybe to the good start the team had this year.

    Got it.
    To tell the truth I've been too absorbed with football to pay much attention to this year's basketball attendance. I know we've turned The-Steg into a very appealing venue and the rest of our men's basketball facilities are now good. We're ready for a coaching staff capable of taking us to a top 20 to top 10 program level in my opinion.

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  • CoachRob16CoachRob16 Posts: 428 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Pretty funny considering so many on here were talking about how great UGA Basketball was this year. They played a weak out of conference schedule and now it’s showing. UGA Basketball is embarrassing, but UGA allows it to happen. Too much talent in this state not to be contenders every year if they were serious about Basketball.

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  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I was one of those saying how great the Dawgs hoops were. I won’t apologize. I will go down with the ship.

    We do need a PG tho

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I was one of those saying how great the Dawgs hoops were. I won’t apologize. I will go down with the ship.

    We do need a PG tho

    We have been ranked a grand total ONE WEEK in Fox's 9 years...ONE FREAKING WEEK.
    The idiot owner of a pay site compared that to Mark Richt...who was ranked almost every week over his 15 year tenure.

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  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I believe we can land a really good basketball coach if we put effort into it.

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  • jb6423jb6423 Posts: 31 ✭✭ Sophomore

    Another terrible loss tonight....

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  • DawgsauceDawgsauce Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @jb6423 said:
    Another terrible loss tonight....

    It feels so normal. This game could have come in any of games in last 5 or 6 years. Ughh. Georgia should have won this game.

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  • boiledpeanutboiledpeanut Posts: 22 ✭✭ Sophomore
    edited January 2018

    First half lead versus San Diego. Lost.
    First half lead versus Kentucky. Lost.
    First half lead versus Missouri. Lost.
    First half lead versus Auburn. Lost.
    First half lead versus Arkansas. Lost.

    Fox's time is coming to an end.

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