I’m sorry, but Fox has got to go.

donm

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
Well, have you guys noticed that we have no point guard play whatsoever.

This team cannot get the ball downcourt and we have no “quarterback”

Could you imagine this squad with Vern Fleming?

It would still be scratching for a tourney bid.
That is who we are.
Only a new HC and mindset has a chance of altering that reality.> @Bankwalker said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bankwalker said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bankwalker said:

@UnderDog68 said:
Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

I remember every season since 1980.
We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

We don't have to accept past ideas and limitations of our program, we just seem caught in it's negativity.
The ONLY question is whether fans would support a program if we got the right staff and gave them elite support.
Would fans turn out if we became an exciting basketball team with REAL possibilities to actually COMPETE for titles ?
We know Fox's limitations, either we're in it to win or we're not.

What is attendance like this year? I thought it might be increasing.

I'm not sure I understand your question.

I meant attendance seems to be greater than in previous years....more folks attending games...due maybe to the good start the team had this year.

andrews1253

@Bankwalker said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bankwalker said:

@UnderDog68 said:
Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

I haven't been able to watch the Dawgs since Tubby went to Kentucky. Just do not see any commitment there. Record will bear that out.

WCDawg

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
Well, have you guys noticed that we have no point guard play whatsoever.

This team cannot get the ball downcourt and we have no “quarterback”

Could you imagine this squad with Vern Fleming?

It would still be scratching for a tourney bid.
That is who we are.
Only a new HC and mindset has a chance of altering that reality.> @Bankwalker said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bankwalker said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bankwalker said:

@UnderDog68 said:
Has UGA gave a rat's a$$ about basketball since Hugh Durham was here? Asking for a friend....

Tubby and Harrick had everyone's attention. We should have pulled a Louisville and brought Tubby back after he parted with Kentucky.

Count Dennis (Dracula) Felton was too concerned with his fashionable suits and having a plush office.

We can't use the program's past as a gauge, we have to be more daring and think about moving up the food chain.
We have the money and the recruiting base, the rest is a matter of leadership.

Are you old enough to remember Tubby at UGA and Harrick? Just curious. "We cant use the program's past as a gauge" implies that you aren't. Kentucky knew they were in for a brawl and we were in the Sweet 16 as a real threat.

I remember every season since 1980.
We have NEVER sustained success in men's basketball.
We shouldn't aim for the brief successes we've had based on a recruiting class or 2.
We need a mindset of building and sustaining a highly competitive program with designs on titles, not bids.

Im sorry to say this, but Georgia is a coaching stepping stone school in men’s basketball. You know that’s true and for the exact same reason you mention regarding mindset. If Fox had come in and crushed it for UGA, then a basketball school would have hired him away. Our arena blows. Is the livestock barn still on the backside of it? Is there an uglier arena in the SEC? Seriously. The new seats and audio visual stuff looks awesome, but we dont call it the Stegasaurus without good reason. Over the last 40 years the UGA AA’s idea of investing in the basketball facilities has been to put in a new scoreboard and new bathroom fixtures. Its a joke. Did they get anything new with the indoor facility? I really dont know and have only seen stuff for the track team and baseball team. Hopefully we are at least applying Kirby’s administrative support blueprint to the basketball program. It was never a recruiting class or two, in the instance of Tubby Smith it was the coach who was able to overcome the LACK of institutional support. Same with Harrick, who wasnt going to be a target of another school due to his age.

We’ve seen twice since Hugh Durham what a quality coach can build at UGA with the instate talent, but our facilities remained at the level they were at under Hugh Durham while everyone else was investing in theirs. That only makes the job all the more difficult. I was never a fan of Felton, but the guy was completely handicapped by his available on-campus resources. A young Tubby Smith couldnt have come in when Fox was hired and accomplish what Tubby did in the 90’s. Lets just say Im skeptical a new coach would make a difference, but sure, roll the dice on one. Just know we will probably lose the kids Fox has committed, which I believe includes the #1pg recruit. Nonetheless, I feel your pain on the Auburn loss.

We don't have to accept past ideas and limitations of our program, we just seem caught in it's negativity.
The ONLY question is whether fans would support a program if we got the right staff and gave them elite support.
Would fans turn out if we became an exciting basketball team with REAL possibilities to actually COMPETE for titles ?
We know Fox's limitations, either we're in it to win or we're not.

What is attendance like this year? I thought it might be increasing.

I'm not sure I understand your question.

I meant attendance seems to be greater than in previous years....more folks attending games...due maybe to the good start the team had this year.

Got it.
To tell the truth I've been too absorbed with football to pay much attention to this year's basketball attendance. I know we've turned The-Steg into a very appealing venue and the rest of our men's basketball facilities are now good. We're ready for a coaching staff capable of taking us to a top 20 to top 10 program level in my opinion.

CoachRob16

Pretty funny considering so many on here were talking about how great UGA Basketball was this year. They played a weak out of conference schedule and now it’s showing. UGA Basketball is embarrassing, but UGA allows it to happen. Too much talent in this state not to be contenders every year if they were serious about Basketball.

Bigcalidawg

I was one of those saying how great the Dawgs hoops were. I won’t apologize. I will go down with the ship.

We do need a PG tho

WCDawg

@Bigcalidawg said:
I was one of those saying how great the Dawgs hoops were. I won’t apologize. I will go down with the ship.

We do need a PG tho

We have been ranked a grand total ONE WEEK in Fox's 9 years...ONE FREAKING WEEK.
The idiot owner of a pay site compared that to Mark Richt...who was ranked almost every week over his 15 year tenure.

Bigcalidawg

I believe we can land a really good basketball coach if we put effort into it.

jb6423

Another terrible loss tonight....

Dawgsauce

@jb6423 said:
Another terrible loss tonight....

It feels so normal. This game could have come in any of games in last 5 or 6 years. Ughh. Georgia should have won this game.

boiledpeanut

First half lead versus San Diego. Lost.
First half lead versus Kentucky. Lost.
First half lead versus Missouri. Lost.
First half lead versus Auburn. Lost.
First half lead versus Arkansas. Lost.

Fox's time is coming to an end.

Bigcalidawg

Why didn’t we call a timeout with 3.5 left in regulation after getting it across court?

MinnesotaDawg

Very difficult to be a UGA basketball fan. Pace of play is boring and players and coaches are maddeningly inconsistent. Double-digit leads vanish in no time. Players freak out under pressure or press, and can't score in the clutch. Long periods of games where they simply can't score at all--treat the ball like garbage and throw away possession after possession. Perhaps the most infuriating and frustrating of all is that this relatively experienced team has almost no basketball intelligence. Get a defensive rebound at the end of 1st overtime and chuck a 35-foot shot with several seconds to spare. There have been countless end of game possessions over the last couple years where Georgia doesn't look like they have a clue on offense. Strategy always seems to get a ref to bail them out with a call...or to just get lucky with a wild shot.

Not to single out one player...because there is plenty of blame to go around among the coaches and players...but Derek Ogbeide is symbolic of the program. Starter for three years now...and offensive game has improved not one bit as far as I can tell. I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss more two and three-foot open shots.

CaliforniaDawg

@Bigcalidawg said:
Georgia is LOADED with basketball talent.

Not picking on bigcalidawg more than anyone else, but maybe the OP deserves the most blame. You guys all forget the reality of BB recruiting. With a few extreme exceptions such as Duke, BB recruiting is corrupt, I mean way beyond football corrupt.

Fox doesn't play the corrupt game like too many coaches whose teams play against UGA. He is not as good a recruiter as he is a coach and please before you trash him as a coach, his reputation is that he can coach players up and he does, but at the end of the day, in the SEC and ACC and other leagues you need good coaching and elite talent. Fox doesn't play dirty so he doesn't always get the elite talent that is willing to play the dirty game.

I am glad UGA has Fox. I wish y'all would be too.

greshamdisco

I agree about how corrupt college BB is. I hear stories from guys involved in northeastern programs about boxes of cash in hotel rooms. We do it the honest way, and it shows. Plus, our facilities are the WORST. Now, does that mean we should be blowing so many leads? No, but aside from Yante, we don’t have any major players. We never do. Stil, we have a 4* and 5* coming in next year. Let’s see what Fox can do then.

bmauldin

@WCDawg said:
How many years and how many excuses will Fox be allowed ?
The man is mediocre at best in every way.
He may well be the single worst offensive coach in college basketball. He's too boring to be much of a recruiter, what exactly is his strength ?

Either try to win or drop the sport. We know we'll never compete for anything higher than a low NCAA Tourney bid with Fox, is that our goal ?

But look at what he did with that powerhouse program... Nevada...

Wait... never mind...

MyKeithbb09

@WCDawg said:
How many years and how many excuses will Fox be allowed ?
The man is mediocre at best in every way.
He may well be the single worst offensive coach in college basketball. He's too boring to be much of a recruiter, what exactly is his strength ?

Either try to win or drop the sport. We know we'll never compete for anything higher than a low NCAA Tourney bid with Fox, is that our goal ?

Amen to that. You are telling the truth

chattanoogadawg

@greshamdisco said:
I agree about how corrupt college BB is. I hear stories from guys involved in northeastern programs about boxes of cash in hotel rooms. We do it the honest way, and it shows. Plus, our facilities are the WORST. Now, does that mean we should be blowing so many leads? No, but aside from Yante, we don’t have any major players. We never do. Stil, we have a 4* and 5* coming in next year. Let’s see what Fox can do then.

They're not coming until 2019. If they come

WCDawg

@Bigcalidawg said:
I was one of those saying how great the Dawgs hoops were. I won’t apologize. I will go down with the ship.

We do need a PG tho

I'm afraid our head in the sand AD will look at Fox having a 5 star player committed and think somewhere in the future Fox might have a good season and decide the is good enough.

If Fox returns next season we should give serious consideration to making changes in leadership for both men's basketball and the athletic department.
Kirby is really the only hire favoring our current AD, and boosters insisted on that move.

chattanoogadawg

@WCDawg said:
I'm afraid our head in the sand AD will look at Fox having a 5 star player committed and think somewhere in the future Fox might have a good season and decide the is good enough.

If Fox returns next season we should give serious consideration to making changes in leadership for both men's basketball and the athletic department.
Kirby is really the only hire favoring our current AD, and boosters insisted on that move.

Agreed, McGarity was just a puppet for the football boosters. All of his actual decisions have been dreadful.

CoachRob16

Same ole UGA basketball year after year. 73-73 under Fox in SEC play and only 2 NCAA Tournament invites. Time for a change. Too much talent in GA every year for UGA to not get serious about it and find someone who can get the job done.