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Scherzer- 9 K's per 9 innings, 3.3 BB per 9 innings....2 years spent in Arizona then 1 in Detroit
Folty- 8.1K's per 9 innings, 3 BB per 9 innings...1 year in Houston and 3 with Atlanta
Again the numbers are similar...The only stat that Scherzer appears to have a clear edge is in ERA.
ERA, as in Scherzer gives up far fewer earned runs than Folty, and did from his first season on.
Folty isn't in Scherzer's class.
As for the argument others made that 200 innings is no longer a prime measure, Kershaw would easily have won The2017 Cy Young if he'd pitched 200 innings, he pitched 175 while Scherzer pitched 200, Scherzer won,.
Kluber won in The AL, he had 203 innings pitched.
You need 200 innings to have a full season as a starter.
So you're saying only 15 starters had full seasons each of the past 2 yrs?
Nope, that was another poster.
I'm saying to be a top starter you need both innings and quality.
If a team has to dip into the pen to cover a starter's shortage he loses value.
Kershaw would have run away with the 2017 Cy if not for being 4 starts short in innings, it matters.
So ERA is the only thing that counts as a pitcher?
I'm not saying Folty is going to be a Cy Young winner, but if you think the numbers aren't comparable then you're blind. Must be a Nats fan or Scherzer's cousin.
Not going to say that ERA is the only thing that matters, but it is easily the single most important stat of a pitcher. And considering one year of Sherzer's stats are in the AL, makes it even more impressive. At this point Folty isn't in Max's league. Not saying he can't get there, but he's gotta flip the switch soon.
There have been tons of pitchers who record high Ks/9inn who were not good pitchers. There are not many organizations in baseball where a 4.87 carer ERA pitcher would even be in the majors. 4.79 era last year isnt even in the Top 50, so Im not ready to compare him to Scherzer.
Exactly.
I'm not down on Folty, but he's fighting to become a #2 or #3 starter, Scherzer is top 5 in MLB.
So the argument I’m seeing is Folty can’t be a number 1 at age 25. Max wasn’t even a 1 at age 25. He was probably a 3 at that age. He didn’t even make an all star game till age 28. 6 years into his pro career. Yeah he gave up a 3.50 era but was 12 and 11. Which shows how ineffective he was. Tigers that year did finish 81-81 and 3rd in the Central.
Folty who was arguably one of the best pitchers on Staff last year. He can easily be a number 1 with his explosive arm. At age 25 did give up 4.79 ERA but his strike out to walk per 9 IP is very similar to Max at age 25. Folty is pitching in a much smaller ballpark that the ball flies out of than Max was pitching in Detroit. Also Folty missed a couple starts so that does effect the stat line just a little bit. Also Braves were 70-92 and 3rd in NL East. Just another note Folty was better than Teheran was last year. Which means Folty can be a number 1 on this staff. If we are playing the stat game.
Just to note my stats came from Baseball Reference if you are wondering. Which is a great site for all of your baseball stat needs.
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Record is frequently more a product of run support, which is out of the pitcher's control.
That's not saying much.
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Hundreds of pitchers have had similar or better strikeout ratios. Doesnt mean a thing.
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Designated hitter? Pitchers in the AL usually have higher ERAs. Folty's road ERA was horrible.
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By what measure? Teheran recorded one more win, had a better era and a vastly superior whip.
My argument is it's preposterous to compare Folty to the 2 time Cy winner.
Also Scherzer was far more successful early in his career than Folty has been.
NOTHING comes close to defining a starter as much as ERA, other than innings pitched maybe. Scherzer had a relatively low ERA before he became elite, Folty MAY yet show meaningful results... but. If you've followed baseball for long you should know ''potential'' more often than not doesn't manifest itself at the high end.
Scherzer and Folty both spent one season in the AL during the 25> years. Folty's first year was with Houston as Scherzer's last was in Detroit. The DH argument isn't a valid one in this case.
Nice try, but you might actually take a look at the stats before saying it isn't a valid point. Folty pitched all of 18 innings in the American League. Scherzer threw 195 innings his first in the AL. Those hardly balance.
Ok, I’ll bite.
Fultys numbers are not elite, but he has shown flashes of being able to go complete game, strike out 9, walk 2, and give up a run. I believe we will see him go an inning longer this season and his era drop by .5
Bigcali has spoken
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