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WCDawg

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

donm

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

PTDawg

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

Bigcalidawg

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

donm

@Bigcalidawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

corai3

@donm said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types/slider

donm

@corai3 said:

@donm said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

I think 200 innings is still very important.
Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types/slider

Cora 3 - thanks. Awesome little article. Much appreciated!!

Bigcalidawg

You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

>
Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

Awesome response Don! Yeah, Billy Martin ragged out a lot of arms with the A’s.

Seems like the only survivors were Mike Norris and Dave Stewart. They were straight up innings eaters and rarely dominant.

Bigcalidawg

Ok, quick addendum, Norris had a Cy Young quality year and then tanked, due to a health condition and substance abuse.

Bankwalker

@corai3 said:

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

Lets do a little comparision
At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

Those are actually not very similar. Folty walks more and strikes out fewer per innings pitched, and a full run difference in ERA is a lot before you even consider that the guy with the lower ERA also pitches in the AL.

corai3

@Bankwalker said:

@corai3 said:

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

Lets do a little comparision
At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

Those are actually not very similar. Folty walks more and strikes out fewer per innings pitched, and a full run difference in ERA is a lot before you even consider that the guy with the lower ERA also pitches in the AL.

Scherzer- 9 K's per 9 innings, 3.3 BB per 9 innings....2 years spent in Arizona then 1 in Detroit
Folty- 8.1K's per 9 innings, 3 BB per 9 innings...1 year in Houston and 3 with Atlanta

Again the numbers are similar...The only stat that Scherzer appears to have a clear edge is in ERA.

WCDawg

@corai3 said:

@Bankwalker said:

@corai3 said:

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

Lets do a little comparision
At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

Those are actually not very similar. Folty walks more and strikes out fewer per innings pitched, and a full run difference in ERA is a lot before you even consider that the guy with the lower ERA also pitches in the AL.

Scherzer- 9 K's per 9 innings, 3.3 BB per 9 innings....2 years spent in Arizona then 1 in Detroit
Folty- 8.1K's per 9 innings, 3 BB per 9 innings...1 year in Houston and 3 with Atlanta

Again the numbers are similar...The only stat that Scherzer appears to have a clear edge is in ERA.

ERA, as in Scherzer gives up far fewer earned runs than Folty, and did from his first season on.
Folty isn't in Scherzer's class.

As for the argument others made that 200 innings is no longer a prime measure, Kershaw would easily have won The2017 Cy Young if he'd pitched 200 innings, he pitched 175 while Scherzer pitched 200, Scherzer won,.
Kluber won in The AL, he had 203 innings pitched.

You need 200 innings to have a full season as a starter.

PTDawg

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bankwalker said:

@corai3 said:

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

Lets do a little comparision
At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

Those are actually not very similar. Folty walks more and strikes out fewer per innings pitched, and a full run difference in ERA is a lot before you even consider that the guy with the lower ERA also pitches in the AL.

Scherzer- 9 K's per 9 innings, 3.3 BB per 9 innings....2 years spent in Arizona then 1 in Detroit
Folty- 8.1K's per 9 innings, 3 BB per 9 innings...1 year in Houston and 3 with Atlanta

Again the numbers are similar...The only stat that Scherzer appears to have a clear edge is in ERA.

ERA, as in Scherzer gives up far fewer earned runs than Folty, and did from his first season on.
Folty isn't in Scherzer's class.

As for the argument others made that 200 innings is no longer a prime measure, Kershaw would easily have won The2017 Cy Young if he'd pitched 200 innings, he pitched 175 while Scherzer pitched 200, Scherzer won,.
Kluber won in The AL, he had 203 innings pitched.

You need 200 innings to have a full season as a starter.

So you're saying only 15 starters had full seasons each of the past 2 yrs?

WCDawg

@PTDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bankwalker said:

@corai3 said:

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

Lets do a little comparision
At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

Those are actually not very similar. Folty walks more and strikes out fewer per innings pitched, and a full run difference in ERA is a lot before you even consider that the guy with the lower ERA also pitches in the AL.

Scherzer- 9 K's per 9 innings, 3.3 BB per 9 innings....2 years spent in Arizona then 1 in Detroit
Folty- 8.1K's per 9 innings, 3 BB per 9 innings...1 year in Houston and 3 with Atlanta

Again the numbers are similar...The only stat that Scherzer appears to have a clear edge is in ERA.

ERA, as in Scherzer gives up far fewer earned runs than Folty, and did from his first season on.
Folty isn't in Scherzer's class.

As for the argument others made that 200 innings is no longer a prime measure, Kershaw would easily have won The2017 Cy Young if he'd pitched 200 innings, he pitched 175 while Scherzer pitched 200, Scherzer won,.
Kluber won in The AL, he had 203 innings pitched.

You need 200 innings to have a full season as a starter.

So you're saying only 15 starters had full seasons each of the past 2 yrs?

Nope, that was another poster.
I'm saying to be a top starter you need both innings and quality.
If a team has to dip into the pen to cover a starter's shortage he loses value.
Kershaw would have run away with the 2017 Cy if not for being 4 starts short in innings, it matters.

corai3

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bankwalker said:

@corai3 said:

@WCDawg said:

@corai3 said:

@Bigcalidawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

For perspective.
Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

Lets do a little comparision
At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

Those are actually not very similar. Folty walks more and strikes out fewer per innings pitched, and a full run difference in ERA is a lot before you even consider that the guy with the lower ERA also pitches in the AL.

Scherzer- 9 K's per 9 innings, 3.3 BB per 9 innings....2 years spent in Arizona then 1 in Detroit
Folty- 8.1K's per 9 innings, 3 BB per 9 innings...1 year in Houston and 3 with Atlanta

Again the numbers are similar...The only stat that Scherzer appears to have a clear edge is in ERA.

ERA, as in Scherzer gives up far fewer earned runs than Folty, and did from his first season on.
Folty isn't in Scherzer's class.

As for the argument others made that 200 innings is no longer a prime measure, Kershaw would easily have won The2017 Cy Young if he'd pitched 200 innings, he pitched 175 while Scherzer pitched 200, Scherzer won,.
Kluber won in The AL, he had 203 innings pitched.

You need 200 innings to have a full season as a starter.

So ERA is the only thing that counts as a pitcher?

I'm not saying Folty is going to be a Cy Young winner, but if you think the numbers aren't comparable then you're blind. Must be a Nats fan or Scherzer's cousin.