Braves Infield

BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

Freddie at Furst-check
Ozzie at Second-check
Colon at Third?/Schimpf/Ruiz?
Swanson or Camargo at SS?

What y’all think?

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  • KaseyKasey Posts: 1,902 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    No Jeff Blauser?

  • donmdonm Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    Freddie at Furst-check
    Ozzie at Second-check
    Colon at Third?/Schimpf/Ruiz?
    Swanson or Camargo at SS?

    What y’all think?

    Camargo at third. Boy is a beast on the rise. Can do it all, except hit for power. Was basically a .300 hitter last year with really good fielding. I don't know why the Braves seem so eager to displace him at 3B.

  • PTDawgPTDawg Posts: 367 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @donm said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    Freddie at Furst-check
    Ozzie at Second-check
    Colon at Third?/Schimpf/Ruiz?
    Swanson or Camargo at SS?

    What y’all think?

    Camargo at third. Boy is a beast on the rise. Can do it all, except hit for power. Was basically a .300 hitter last year with really good fielding. I don't know why the Braves seem so eager to displace him at 3B.

    I think the issue with Camargo last year was that his performance at lower levels in the minors hadn't shown that level of performance so there was a sense of is this real, is it sustainable? I totally agree with you that he should be at 3rd. If Dansby struggles then Camargo can also be an insurance policy at SS. My money is on Camargo manning the hot corner until Riley is ready.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @Kasey said:
    No Jeff Blauser?

    No sir. Rafael Ramirez all day. Horner at Third.

  • CoachRob16CoachRob16 Posts: 367 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Camargo will be at 3B and Swanson at SS. Swanson needs to prove a lot this year in my mind. Hasn't lived up to the hype at all.
    Bring back Lemke and Blauser, with Horner and Fred McGriff on the corners!

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @CoachRob16 said:
    Camargo will be at 3B and Swanson at SS. Swanson needs to prove a lot this year in my mind. Hasn't lived up to the hype at all.
    Bring back Lemke and Blauser, with Horner and Fred McGriff on the corners!

    No T-P at third?

  • coastaldawgcoastaldawg Posts: 485 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Braves are solid in the infield, except for third base. Think Camargo will start season at third, backed up by Ruiz. Would like to see Riley called up later in season if he keeps progressing in minors. Can't wait to see Acuna playing in majors. Some of our young starting pitchers should be ready to join the rotation. If Tehran doesn't put it together this year, it may be time for him to move on.

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @coastaldawg said:
    Braves are solid in the infield, except for third base. Think Camargo will start season at third, backed up by Ruiz. Would like to see Riley called up later in season if he keeps progressing in minors. Can't wait to see Acuna playing in majors. Some of our young starting pitchers should be ready to join the rotation. If Tehran doesn't put it together this year, it may be time for him to move on.

    Unfortunately, we are going to use up all of Teheran's good years during these "rebuilding" years. By the time the Braves are competitive he'll be an old man by MLB standards. Need the young pitching to step up, if we want Julio to reap any rewards for being stuck in Atlanta this long. 27 is the age in which most pitchers are at their peak, and will then begin to regress, and that's how old Julio is.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @Kasey said:
    No Jeff Blauser?

    GO LEMKE ! We'll need his big bat come playoff time.

  • JoelSidneyKellyJoelSidneyKelly Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Biff Pocoroba catching?

  • georgiaboygeorgiaboy Posts: 296 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:
    Biff Pocoroba catching?

    My favorite player back in the day. God, those were some awful teams!

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Biff catching Knuxie

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    My ATF Braves we’re Crime Dog, Horner, Murph, Claudell Washington

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited March 6

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    And Bedrock, Gene Garber and Kimbrel

    Auto correct on here is the devil!

  • DirtDawgDirtDawg Posts: 78 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @georgiaboy said:

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:
    Biff Pocoroba catching?

    My favorite player back in the day. God, those were some awful teams!

    Who was it said Biff would finish third in a race against a pregnant lady?

  • BobcatGradBobcatGrad Posts: 582 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:
    Biff Pocoroba catching?

    You beat me to mentioning Biff.

    I started following the Braves after my stint as the Yankees AAA Bat Boy in 1979 and running the scoreboard the following three years. During the 1982 Strike, the major league TV Crews were coming to Columbus to televise AAA games. I met the Atlanta Crew and the Yankees Broadcasting Team including the Scooter, Bill White and Mel Allen.

    Saw a lot of talent those four years including Cal Ripken, Jr., Don Mattingly and Mookie Wilson. When I moved to Richmond in 1988 it was unreal the talent that they had including David Justice, Chipper Jones, Blauser, Ron Gant and John Smoltz.

  • georgiaboygeorgiaboy Posts: 296 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @DirtDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:
    Biff Pocoroba catching?

    My favorite player back in the day. God, those were some awful teams!

    Who was it said Biff would finish third in a race against a pregnant lady?

    I'm going to guess Skip Carey. Sounds like something he'd say. Had to be him, Ernie Johnson or Pete Van Weiren.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @BobcatGrad said:

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:
    Biff Pocoroba catching?

    You beat me to mentioning Biff.

    I started following the Braves after my stint as the Yankees AAA Bat Boy in 1979 and running the scoreboard the following three years. During the 1982 Strike, the major league TV Crews were coming to Columbus to televise AAA games. I met the Atlanta Crew and the Yankees Broadcasting Team including the Scooter, Bill White and Mel Allen.

    Saw a lot of talent those four years including Cal Ripken, Jr., Don Mattingly and Mookie Wilson. When I moved to Richmond in 1988 it was unreal the talent that they had including David Justice, Chipper Jones, Blauser, Ron Gant and John Smoltz.

    That’s cool. Mattingly one of the best hitters in MLB history.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited March 6

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    Even if by default we'll have somebody at each position.
    The open question is whether they will fill those roles well.
    We still have potential, but we're a good full season behind where we hoped to be in their development though.
    Last season was the targeted year for the rotation to take shape.
    This might be a make or break season for our projected rotation of the future.

  • BoroDawgBoroDawg Posts: 254 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Camargo had an unsustainable .364 BABIP last year, so his .299 average is going to come back down to earth. Couple that with the fact that he doesn’t walk or hit for power, you’re looking at a super utility type player and not a third baseman. Don’t get me wrong, he’ll play third this year because we don’t have any other viable options, but once Austin Riley is ready, Camargo shifts back into the utility role.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    WC, you are a brilliant man, but way off on this one. We had 2 guys in the rotation that were horrible and clearly past their prime. They were buying time for kids who were still in AA/AAA.

    I agree that the development has been about 30% slower, but this year is the year, not last year.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited March 6

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    WC, you are a brilliant man, but way off on this one. We had 2 guys in the rotation that were horrible and clearly past their prime. They were buying time for kids who were still in AA/AAA.

    I agree that the development has been about 30% slower, but this year is the year, not last year.

    I'm not saying the young pitchers won't prove to be good, just that the stated target of having a viable young rotation when the team moved to Cobb was not met.
    No doubt management can't and shouldn't give up on these young pitchers yet, but history informs me the longer the wait, the less likely to see optimum results.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 524 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Ok, I see your logic. Yeah, they missed the eta in that regard

  • corai3corai3 Posts: 197 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @corai3 said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

    Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
    One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

  • corai3corai3 Posts: 197 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @WCDawg said:

    @corai3 said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

    Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
    One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

    Lets do a little comparision
    At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
    At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

    Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

  • PTDawgPTDawg Posts: 367 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

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