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The Hawks now have 3 1st rd picks again next year...

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @ChicagoDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @ChicagoDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:
    I agree. Based on SC comments he seems to think that the two can play beside each other. Not sure I see that being sustainable for long, particularly on the defensive end

    The Hawks will not be worried about winning many games next year, so you may see times in the rotation when the two play together and one of them gets posted up a lot by bigger guards. I would look for Schroeder to start at the beginning of the season and Young to come off the bench but play 20+ minutes per game.

    The trade market is not good for Schroeder, so I think it makes sense to keep him for now. During the season, some team that is contending or just trying to make a push for the playoffs may have point guard issues or a key injury, or, if Schroeder picks up his shooting from the perimeter, someone may see him as an upgrade/ short term fix around the trade deadline. Then the Hawks may receive a lot more in return than they would now.

    Really the decision on Chocolate Kraut is about beyond this coming season.
    The question to ask, is he a long term asset who can be retained after the rebuild process ?
    If the answer is no, and I think it is, why not get what the market will yield for him while he'sunder contract ?
    Maybe it makes sense to keep him through the legal issue though, then look at the market when that isn't dragging down his value.

    I think the future of Schroeder with the Hawks was decided when the Hawks drafted Young. Schroeder is not going to be happy backing up to Young in the future. His history suggests that he may have difficulty handling his emotions as Young takes more of his minutes, so he will have to be moved at some point. I just think the best time will be during the season when another team really needs to make a move at PG due to injury or needs improvement at the position as they contend for a playoff spot/position. I just hope Dennis is working like crazy on his jump shot like he did after his rookie season. He is capable of being a good outside shooter if he dedicates himself in the off season.

    I think you're correct on both counts.
    Schroder wouldn't make sense long term, even without the drama. Finding the optimum deal will take time and getting this legal issue out of the picture will likely improve his marketability as well.
    Get the legal stuff resolved, don't poison the well with negative comments and see where things stand before the in-season trade deadline. An injury to a PG on a playoff level team could increase the return.

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  • PTDawgPTDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @ChicagoDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @ChicagoDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:
    I agree. Based on SC comments he seems to think that the two can play beside each other. Not sure I see that being sustainable for long, particularly on the defensive end

    The Hawks will not be worried about winning many games next year, so you may see times in the rotation when the two play together and one of them gets posted up a lot by bigger guards. I would look for Schroeder to start at the beginning of the season and Young to come off the bench but play 20+ minutes per game.

    The trade market is not good for Schroeder, so I think it makes sense to keep him for now. During the season, some team that is contending or just trying to make a push for the playoffs may have point guard issues or a key injury, or, if Schroeder picks up his shooting from the perimeter, someone may see him as an upgrade/ short term fix around the trade deadline. Then the Hawks may receive a lot more in return than they would now.

    Really the decision on Chocolate Kraut is about beyond this coming season.
    The question to ask, is he a long term asset who can be retained after the rebuild process ?
    If the answer is no, and I think it is, why not get what the market will yield for him while he'sunder contract ?
    Maybe it makes sense to keep him through the legal issue though, then look at the market when that isn't dragging down his value.

    I think the future of Schroeder with the Hawks was decided when the Hawks drafted Young. Schroeder is not going to be happy backing up to Young in the future. His history suggests that he may have difficulty handling his emotions as Young takes more of his minutes, so he will have to be moved at some point. I just think the best time will be during the season when another team really needs to make a move at PG due to injury or needs improvement at the position as they contend for a playoff spot/position. I just hope Dennis is working like crazy on his jump shot like he did after his rookie season. He is capable of being a good outside shooter if he dedicates himself in the off season.

    I think you're correct on both counts.
    Schroder wouldn't make sense long term, even without the drama. Finding the optimum deal will take time and getting this legal issue out of the picture will likely improve his marketability as well.
    Get the legal stuff resolved, don't poison the well with negative comments and see where things stand before the in-season trade deadline. An injury to a PG on a playoff level team could increase the return.

    Agreed as well. At best I think they'll be able to flip him for future assets. A team in the market for a PG isn't going to also give up NBA-ready talent in a trade. If he could be flipped for pick(s) I think you take it.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @ChicagoDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @ChicagoDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:
    I agree. Based on SC comments he seems to think that the two can play beside each other. Not sure I see that being sustainable for long, particularly on the defensive end

    The Hawks will not be worried about winning many games next year, so you may see times in the rotation when the two play together and one of them gets posted up a lot by bigger guards. I would look for Schroeder to start at the beginning of the season and Young to come off the bench but play 20+ minutes per game.

    The trade market is not good for Schroeder, so I think it makes sense to keep him for now. During the season, some team that is contending or just trying to make a push for the playoffs may have point guard issues or a key injury, or, if Schroeder picks up his shooting from the perimeter, someone may see him as an upgrade/ short term fix around the trade deadline. Then the Hawks may receive a lot more in return than they would now.

    Really the decision on Chocolate Kraut is about beyond this coming season.
    The question to ask, is he a long term asset who can be retained after the rebuild process ?
    If the answer is no, and I think it is, why not get what the market will yield for him while he'sunder contract ?
    Maybe it makes sense to keep him through the legal issue though, then look at the market when that isn't dragging down his value.

    I think the future of Schroeder with the Hawks was decided when the Hawks drafted Young. Schroeder is not going to be happy backing up to Young in the future. His history suggests that he may have difficulty handling his emotions as Young takes more of his minutes, so he will have to be moved at some point. I just think the best time will be during the season when another team really needs to make a move at PG due to injury or needs improvement at the position as they contend for a playoff spot/position. I just hope Dennis is working like crazy on his jump shot like he did after his rookie season. He is capable of being a good outside shooter if he dedicates himself in the off season.

    I think you're correct on both counts.
    Schroder wouldn't make sense long term, even without the drama. Finding the optimum deal will take time and getting this legal issue out of the picture will likely improve his marketability as well.
    Get the legal stuff resolved, don't poison the well with negative comments and see where things stand before the in-season trade deadline. An injury to a PG on a playoff level team could increase the return.

    Agreed as well. At best I think they'll be able to flip him for future assets. A team in the market for a PG isn't going to also give up NBA-ready talent in a trade. If he could be flipped for pick(s) I think you take it.

    Whether a team will give up NBA talent for a PG might depend on their roster. If a team has a surplus at SF and in need of a PG, they might well make a deal.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Here is something players' agents do ( Scott Boros !) when negotiating deals. They compile a list of the player's accomplishments.
    This is a list of EVERY PLAYER player in The NBA at any position who scored at least as many pts and had at least as many assist as Schroder this past season.

    Westbrook
    Lebron
    Hardin
    Simmons
    Lillard
    Those are all true stars, and DS is just 24 years old. There is something to market, it's a matter of getting past the negatives and finding a buyer.

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  • donmdonm ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:
    Here is something players' agents do ( Scott Boros !) when negotiating deals. They compile a list of the player's accomplishments.
    This is a list of EVERY PLAYER player in The NBA at any position who scored at least as many pts and had at least as many assist as Schroder this past season.

    Westbrook
    Lebron
    Hardin
    Simmons
    Lillard
    Those are all true stars, and DS is just 24 years old. There is something to market, it's a matter of getting past the negatives and finding a buyer.

    I guess I like him more than most on this forum. I see him as talented, maybe even gifted. If he only focused on hoops and didn't get involved in so much off the field junk. As you point out, he is young and talented...players like him don't grow on trees. He was a great pick as a young, European player that hardly anyone (including me) had ever heard of. If they move him, I hope they can get close to equal value in return.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:
    Here is something players' agents do ( Scott Boros !) when negotiating deals. They compile a list of the player's accomplishments.
    This is a list of EVERY PLAYER player in The NBA at any position who scored at least as many pts and had at least as many assist as Schroder this past season.

    Westbrook
    Lebron
    Hardin
    Simmons
    Lillard
    Those are all true stars, and DS is just 24 years old. There is something to market, it's a matter of getting past the negatives and finding a buyer.

    I guess I like him more than most on this forum. I see him as talented, maybe even gifted. If he only focused on hoops and didn't get involved in so much off the field junk. As you point out, he is young and talented...players like him don't grow on trees. He was a great pick as a young, European player that hardly anyone (including me) had ever heard of. If they move him, I hope they can get close to equal value in return.

    The guy has the length quickness and coordination to be excellent of defense, it's his attitude that needs a makeover.

    I think he projects as a 24 ppg, 8 assists per game player by the time he's 27 years old if he gets his head on straight.

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  • donmdonm ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:
    Here is something players' agents do ( Scott Boros !) when negotiating deals. They compile a list of the player's accomplishments.
    This is a list of EVERY PLAYER player in The NBA at any position who scored at least as many pts and had at least as many assist as Schroder this past season.

    Westbrook
    Lebron
    Hardin
    Simmons
    Lillard
    Those are all true stars, and DS is just 24 years old. There is something to market, it's a matter of getting past the negatives and finding a buyer.

    I guess I like him more than most on this forum. I see him as talented, maybe even gifted. If he only focused on hoops and didn't get involved in so much off the field junk. As you point out, he is young and talented...players like him don't grow on trees. He was a great pick as a young, European player that hardly anyone (including me) had ever heard of. If they move him, I hope they can get close to equal value in return.

    The guy has the length quickness and coordination to be excellent of defense, it's his attitude that needs a makeover.

    I think he projects as a 24 ppg, 8 assists per game player by the time he's 27 years old if he gets his head on straight.

    I agree. He has a TON of potential. Hopefully this new coach can relate to him well enough to bring out some of that potential.

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