Snitker has exhausted them, and it's just July 1st...yikes. They've given up 5 runs in just the 7th inning after Folty 2 hit The Cards for 6 innings.
@georgiaboy said: The bullpen has been ass all year. We've easily lost 10-12 games that we should've won. The biggest being a 10-2 (I think) lead at Chicago that turned into a loss.
The 8th and ninth inning relievers were perfect last night. The middle relief corps has been pretty shaky, for sure.
Freeman needs to be optioned down to Triple A stat. Your ERA as a relief pitcher should not be over 5.
@donm said: @georgiaboy said: The bullpen has been ass all year. We've easily lost 10-12 games that we should've won. The biggest being a 10-2 (I think) lead at Chicago that turned into a loss. The 8th and ninth inning relievers were perfect last night. The middle relief corps has been pretty shaky, for sure.
@donm said:
The really concerning thing is, rosters won't expand for a full 2 months. Things could get considerably worse before then.
True...but those weren't our normal 8th and 9th inning guys. Winkler and Minter are supposed to be middle inning guys. Our closer has been ailing and far from automatic when healthy. I'm not even sure Snit knows who our 8th inning guy is anyway. I'm not crazy about his handling of the pitching staff at all and I'm a Snit fan.
@DawgsofWar said: Freeman needs to be optioned down to Triple A stat. Your ERA as a relief pitcher should not be over 5.
That 5 ERA may apply to half the relief staff.
@georgiaboy said: @donm said: @georgiaboy said: The bullpen has been ass all year. We've easily lost 10-12 games that we should've won. The biggest being a 10-2 (I think) lead at Chicago that turned into a loss. The 8th and ninth inning relievers were perfect last night. The middle relief corps has been pretty shaky, for sure. True...but those weren't our normal 8th and 9th inning guys. Winkler and Minter are supposed to be middle inning guys. Our closer has been ailing and far from automatic when healthy. I'm not even sure Snit knows who our 8th inning guy is anyway. I'm not crazy about his handling of the pitching staff at all and I'm a Snit fan.
@georgiaboy said:
Vizcaino's ERA over his last 10 appearances before his injury was 0.00, his season ERA is 1.83.
Vizcaino is due back today, our 8th inning guy will be Minter.
@Teddy said: @DawgsofWar said: Freeman needs to be optioned down to Triple A stat. Your ERA as a relief pitcher should not be over 5. That 5 ERA may apply to half the relief staff.
@Teddy said:
Very true. Moylan is done, too. He hasn't pitched as well as I would have liked for him to. Sims was part of the problem, but he's already back down to Triple A. Carle has been shaky as of recent, too.
@WCDawg said: @georgiaboy said: @donm said: @georgiaboy said: The bullpen has been ass all year. We've easily lost 10-12 games that we should've won. The biggest being a 10-2 (I think) lead at Chicago that turned into a loss. The 8th and ninth inning relievers were perfect last night. The middle relief corps has been pretty shaky, for sure. True...but those weren't our normal 8th and 9th inning guys. Winkler and Minter are supposed to be middle inning guys. Our closer has been ailing and far from automatic when healthy. I'm not even sure Snit knows who our 8th inning guy is anyway. I'm not crazy about his handling of the pitching staff at all and I'm a Snit fan. Vizcaino's ERA over his last 10 appearances before his injury was 0.00, his season ERA is 1.83. Vizcaino is due back today, our 8th inning guy will be Minter.
@WCDawg said:
I stand corrected. I thought he had blown several saves but I see that it is only 2. I'm ok with Minter as the 8th inning guy. I like Winkler in that spot as well. Biddle may be a factor going forward.
@georgiaboy said: @WCDawg said: @georgiaboy said: @donm said: @georgiaboy said: The bullpen has been ass all year. We've easily lost 10-12 games that we should've won. The biggest being a 10-2 (I think) lead at Chicago that turned into a loss. The 8th and ninth inning relievers were perfect last night. The middle relief corps has been pretty shaky, for sure. True...but those weren't our normal 8th and 9th inning guys. Winkler and Minter are supposed to be middle inning guys. Our closer has been ailing and far from automatic when healthy. I'm not even sure Snit knows who our 8th inning guy is anyway. I'm not crazy about his handling of the pitching staff at all and I'm a Snit fan. Vizcaino's ERA over his last 10 appearances before his injury was 0.00, his season ERA is 1.83. Vizcaino is due back today, our 8th inning guy will be Minter. I stand corrected. I thought he had blown several saves but I see that it is only 2. I'm ok with Minter as the 8th inning guy. I like Winkler in that spot as well. Biddle may be a factor going forward.
I think he has 2 blown saves, of course evaluating a closer is trickier than either ERA or blown saves will inform over a short period. Look at Winkler, he has excellent numbers for the season, but when he was put in to close he wet the sheets.
@WCDawg said: @georgiaboy said: @WCDawg said: @georgiaboy said: @donm said: @georgiaboy said: The bullpen has been ass all year. We've easily lost 10-12 games that we should've won. The biggest being a 10-2 (I think) lead at Chicago that turned into a loss. The 8th and ninth inning relievers were perfect last night. The middle relief corps has been pretty shaky, for sure. True...but those weren't our normal 8th and 9th inning guys. Winkler and Minter are supposed to be middle inning guys. Our closer has been ailing and far from automatic when healthy. I'm not even sure Snit knows who our 8th inning guy is anyway. I'm not crazy about his handling of the pitching staff at all and I'm a Snit fan. Vizcaino's ERA over his last 10 appearances before his injury was 0.00, his season ERA is 1.83. Vizcaino is due back today, our 8th inning guy will be Minter. I stand corrected. I thought he had blown several saves but I see that it is only 2. I'm ok with Minter as the 8th inning guy. I like Winkler in that spot as well. Biddle may be a factor going forward. I think he has 2 blown saves, of course evaluating a closer is trickier than either ERA or blown saves will inform over a short period. Look at Winkler, he has excellent numbers for the season, but when he was put in to close he wet the sheets.
That he did for sure!
Need to replace Sam Freeman and Moylan with couple of guys that can pitch the 7th or 8th innings, knock Biddle and Carle down to 5th or 6th innings spots. Would love to get a dependable closer, Visciano has great stuff but not enough control.
@coastaldawg said: Need to replace Sam Freeman and Moylan with couple of guys that can pitch the 7th or 8th innings, knock Biddle and Carle down to 5th or 6th innings spots. Would love to get a dependable closer, Visciano has great stuff but not enough control.
He has 33 Ks and 13 walks so far, he has rounded back into the form he showed before the injury. He didn't give up a run, either earned or unearned over his last 10 appearances before he went on the DL with a sore shoulder. I think the critical need is for a couple of dependable long relievers who can hold up to a lot of work.
@WCDawg said: @SWGADAWG said: Need two more good arms, I like our 8th and 9th inning guys but that 5-7 has killed us It won't matter if they add arms and just wear them out too. They CAN'T add numbers till Sep., so they'd have to send 2 down or release them to add more relievers. They are going to have to get more innings from starters at some point soon.
@SWGADAWG said: Need two more good arms, I like our 8th and 9th inning guys but that 5-7 has killed us
It won't matter if they add arms and just wear them out too. They CAN'T add numbers till Sep., so they'd have to send 2 down or release them to add more relievers. They are going to have to get more innings from starters at some point soon.
The hook comes too quick. Pulling guys before they hit 90 pitches.
Go ahead and pull up some camp arms for a couple months.
While you’re at it, send Santana back and pull up Reed.
@Bigcalidawg said: @WCDawg said: @SWGADAWG said: Need two more good arms, I like our 8th and 9th inning guys but that 5-7 has killed us It won't matter if they add arms and just wear them out too. They CAN'T add numbers till Sep., so they'd have to send 2 down or release them to add more relievers. They are going to have to get more innings from starters at some point soon. The hook comes too quick. Pulling guys before they hit 90 pitches. Go ahead and pull up some camp arms for a couple months. While you’re at it, send Santana back and pull up Reed.
@Bigcalidawg said:
Part of the problem is throughout MLB. Teams demand players max out their effort to throw in the upper 90s without much regard for the debilitating affects. So managers counter the trend by limiting innings. Snitker is too conservative though. The solution is to add 3 roster spots, but owners don't want the added payroll and the players' union isn't keen on splitting their pie with more players.
PS, owners voted to expand rosters from 25 to 26 in 2016, The players union shot it down. So we can't simply blame team management for the situation. Players are greedy arse wipes.
