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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BoroDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:
    He does have potential, but he’s also regressed every year since coming into the league and has had an injury riddled season He’s also always outperformed his peripherals. I would consider his ceiling to be a good #2 on a playoff team. The Braves already have plenty of high upside, controllable starters who look like 2-3 starters. We need an ACE.

    Who is this ''he'' you're referring to ?
    It's helpful to list names when we're in a fluid discussion.

    If you see my previous comment and all debate with Dawg4Life up to that point, you would know who we were talking about. Troll someone else.

    It's not a troll, it's advice. I'm not going to review threads to see what a poster is referring to. Just advance enough info for people to know what the hell you're referring to, how hard could it be ? It's like posters who abbreviate names, how lazy can you be ?

    You’ve been a member since January and have over 3k posts. It seems to me that you have plenty of time to review every thread.

    Stop yer pouting and learn how to communicate.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @FirePlugDawg said:
    As Lao Tsu says:

    He who farts loudly gives away his position.

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    BoroDawgBoroDawg Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:
    He does have potential, but he’s also regressed every year since coming into the league and has had an injury riddled season He’s also always outperformed his peripherals. I would consider his ceiling to be a good #2 on a playoff team. The Braves already have plenty of high upside, controllable starters who look like 2-3 starters. We need an ACE.

    Who is this ''he'' you're referring to ?
    It's helpful to list names when we're in a fluid discussion.

    If you see my previous comment and all debate with Dawg4Life up to that point, you would know who we were talking about. Troll someone else.

    It's not a troll, it's advice. I'm not going to review threads to see what a poster is referring to. Just advance enough info for people to know what the hell you're referring to, how hard could it be ? It's like posters who abbreviate names, how lazy can you be ?

    You’ve been a member since January and have over 3k posts. It seems to me that you have plenty of time to review every thread.

    Stop yer pouting and learn how to communicate.

    You called me lazy yet you refused to scroll up and read a thread. Get a life and stop commenting on a football message board 20 times a day.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BoroDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @BoroDawg said:
    He does have potential, but he’s also regressed every year since coming into the league and has had an injury riddled season He’s also always outperformed his peripherals. I would consider his ceiling to be a good #2 on a playoff team. The Braves already have plenty of high upside, controllable starters who look like 2-3 starters. We need an ACE.

    Who is this ''he'' you're referring to ?
    It's helpful to list names when we're in a fluid discussion.

    If you see my previous comment and all debate with Dawg4Life up to that point, you would know who we were talking about. Troll someone else.

    It's not a troll, it's advice. I'm not going to review threads to see what a poster is referring to. Just advance enough info for people to know what the hell you're referring to, how hard could it be ? It's like posters who abbreviate names, how lazy can you be ?

    You’ve been a member since January and have over 3k posts. It seems to me that you have plenty of time to review every thread.

    Stop yer pouting and learn how to communicate.

    You called me lazy yet you refused to scroll up and read a thread. Get a life and stop commenting on a football message board 20 times a day.

    I'm not wiping after lazy posters. If you want posters to know what you're posting about, take my advice.

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    Dawg4Life912Dawg4Life912 Posts: 138 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Lol man we gonna talk about the Atlanta Braves or talk **** to each other online?

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    KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Dawg4Life912 said:
    I truely believe the Braves are a few pieces away from a dynasty. But, it all starts with this upcoming years free agency and how much we are willing to spend. I firmly believe when need to do everything in our power to sign Macahdo and Kimbrel. Once we have them two, we can trade Dansby, Gohara, and another prospect maybe Bryce Wilson for JT Realmuto. Then we go out and trade kolby allard, Kevin gasuman, and Austin Riley( only if Comagro keeps playing like he is now) for a top of the line Ace, such as Bumgarner, DeGrom, Synegard, Michael Fulmer, or anyone else who is a legit Ace. With a pitching staff of
    Bumgarner
    Folty
    Newcomb
    Soroka
    Touki or Wright
    Plus a lineup of
    Acuna
    Ozzie
    Freeman
    Machado
    Realmuto
    Comagro
    Markakis
    Pitcher
    Ender

    We would be unstoppable, for many, many years to come. We have the pieces to make these moves, however it's all going to come down to free agency

    Trading for Realmuto would be tough to stomach. We could project him as like a 4 WAR/year player and he is under arbitration for the next 3 years, so he will likely earn around 28 Million in a rough estimate. At 8.5M/WAR thats a 74M surplus value, so Dansby Gohara and Wilson wouldn't be enough. TBH I don't even know what kind of value Dansby would have right now, but he isn't going to be able to headline a big trade by himself. It might realistically take Christian Pache+Gohara+Kyle Wright/Soroka to get him (using the link below to estimate prospect surplus value). And Kolby+Riley wouldn't get a top of the rotation arm unfortunately, unless it's for maybe 1 season of them.

    But this is Ok, the thing about prospects is that farm systems are built to also work as trade capital and most good prospects don't end up being that good. Nobody gives out trophies for best farm system, so if they decide to go for it in their window we could see a lot of the guys we like in the minors traded. And I would love to see us sign Machado, and he would be worth every penny and really elevate this team, I every team in the game with some money to spend is going to go after him.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valuing-the-2017-top-100-prospects/

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    donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @Dawg4Life912 said:
    I truely believe the Braves are a few pieces away from a dynasty. But, it all starts with this upcoming years free agency and how much we are willing to spend. I firmly believe when need to do everything in our power to sign Macahdo and Kimbrel. Once we have them two, we can trade Dansby, Gohara, and another prospect maybe Bryce Wilson for JT Realmuto. Then we go out and trade kolby allard, Kevin gasuman, and Austin Riley( only if Comagro keeps playing like he is now) for a top of the line Ace, such as Bumgarner, DeGrom, Synegard, Michael Fulmer, or anyone else who is a legit Ace. With a pitching staff of
    Bumgarner
    Folty
    Newcomb
    Soroka
    Touki or Wright
    Plus a lineup of
    Acuna
    Ozzie
    Freeman
    Machado
    Realmuto
    Comagro
    Markakis
    Pitcher
    Ender

    We would be unstoppable, for many, many years to come. We have the pieces to make these moves, however it's all going to come down to free agency

    Trading for Realmuto would be tough to stomach. We could project him as like a 4 WAR/year player and he is under arbitration for the next 3 years, so he will likely earn around 28 Million in a rough estimate. At 8.5M/WAR thats a 74M surplus value, so Dansby Gohara and Wilson wouldn't be enough. TBH I don't even know what kind of value Dansby would have right now, but he isn't going to be able to headline a big trade by himself. It might realistically take Christian Pache+Gohara+Kyle Wright/Soroka to get him (using the link below to estimate prospect surplus value). And Kolby+Riley wouldn't get a top of the rotation arm unfortunately, unless it's for maybe 1 season of them.

    But this is Ok, the thing about prospects is that farm systems are built to also work as trade capital and most good prospects don't end up being that good. Nobody gives out trophies for best farm system, so if they decide to go for it in their window we could see a lot of the guys we like in the minors traded. And I would love to see us sign Machado, and he would be worth every penny and really elevate this team, I every team in the game with some money to spend is going to go after him.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valuing-the-2017-top-100-prospects/

    If they trade Soroka, I’ll start pulling for the Mets and and Phillies.

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    dbrown7494dbrown7494 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    If I’m not mistaking a lot of money will be on the table for the Braves this coming year. A few contracts will finally come off the books. Also I believe one of the reasons Acuna wasn’t brought up earlier was so they could sign him to a longer deal. I believe he has a 5 year deal. Correct me if I’m wrong. So i think we bring one ace in and secure younger arms to major league deals. Also I feel like we got to move Tehran some how

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    Dawg4Life912Dawg4Life912 Posts: 138 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @dbrown7494 said:
    If I’m not mistaking a lot of money will be on the table for the Braves this coming year. A few contracts will finally come off the books. Also I believe one of the reasons Acuna wasn’t brought up earlier was so they could sign him to a longer deal. I believe he has a 5 year deal. Correct me if I’m wrong. So i think we bring one ace in and secure younger arms to major league deals. Also I feel like we got to move Tehran some how

    Yeah man Teheran getting moved has to happen, in my opinion

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    TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Dawg4Life912 said:

    @dbrown7494 said:
    If I’m not mistaking a lot of money will be on the table for the Braves this coming year. A few contracts will finally come off the books. Also I believe one of the reasons Acuna wasn’t brought up earlier was so they could sign him to a longer deal. I believe he has a 5 year deal. Correct me if I’m wrong. So i think we bring one ace in and secure younger arms to major league deals. Also I feel like we got to move Tehran some how


    Yeah man Teheran getting moved has to happen, in my opinion

    Not disagreeing. Just stinks he wasted his prime years playing on a terrible team.

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    KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Agree, let’s get Tehran out and make room for some of the more talented young arms. The thing about trading Tehran though is that he’s pitched so bad nobody will want him haha. We probably have to eat some of his contract to get someone to take him.

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    donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @Dawg4Life912 said:

    @dbrown7494 said:
    If I’m not mistaking a lot of money will be on the table for the Braves this coming year. A few contracts will finally come off the books. Also I believe one of the reasons Acuna wasn’t brought up earlier was so they could sign him to a longer deal. I believe he has a 5 year deal. Correct me if I’m wrong. So i think we bring one ace in and secure younger arms to major league deals. Also I feel like we got to move Tehran some how


    Yeah man Teheran getting moved has to happen, in my opinion

    Not disagreeing. Just stinks he wasted his prime years playing on a terrible team.

    His middle name should be yo-yo. So inconsistent. I think it is mental - an inability to concentrate. That is, of course, from watching from 500 miles away on tv.

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