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Meyer's handling of Hernandez and other thugs is not at all unrelated when judging Meyer.
This isn't a court of law, it's more like sentencing where a person's record can be considered before a sentence is handed down.
This POS has a history of at best looking the other way while thugs ran wild on his watch.
But that's not the current conversation. Duh.
You got a link? I have no idea but my guess is that the reporter is a OSU guy or even the Number 1 OSU hack of all, Jeff Snook. He's the guy who wrote the initial Courtney "mother" story that all the OSU fans are hanging onto like a life boat. Snook is an OSU alum, personal friend of Meyer, and has written several books with Meyer. The health of the OSU program and Meyer's access to that program is Snook's gravy train. He is hardly objective. And I could see how a guilty mother, who failed to protect her daughter and might have even encouraged her to stay on with an abusive marriage for her own financial security just might not want to admit that Zach "intentionally" hurt her. How about "unintentionally"? Just like Meyer didn't intentionally lie.
But was Meyer really a good judge of whether or not these allegations were true? All it seems he did was to ask Zach Smith--who, of course, denied it. That was enough for Urban. That's Meyer's investigative MO. He takes "his guys" word for it, and that is the extent of Urban's truth-finding. Just as it was for his interactions with a number of bad character guys, like Hernandez, at UF. It's a self-serving approach for him and for them. Willful blindness.
BUT, as **** as the situation with Zach and Courtney Smith is....that's NOT why Meyer was suspended. Whether or not Urban or Gene Smith believed Zach Smith is beside the point. Here you go:
(1) Meyer failed to disclose the 2009 allegations to the AD when Smith was hired,
(2) He failed to disclose the 2009 allegation to Smith AGAIN when the 2015 allegations became known to Gene Smith,
(3) He failed to report the allegations to compliance staff as he was contractually REQUIRED to do,
(4) He LIED at Big Ten media day about his awareness of the allegation,
(5) He almost certainly destroyed evidence by deleting texts hours before the allegation,
(6) He LIED again in his Facebook statement in which he claimed to always "follow proper protocol" in his career and in this case. He very clearly did not as the investigation details, and finally
(7) He almost certainly lied to the investigators AGAIN in claiming that Courtney recanted the 2009 allegations to him (even Zach Smith denies this) AND in claiming that Shelly Meyer never shared any texts, pictures, allegations with him in 2015. This is almost literally incredible.
Those seven points don't rely on Zach Smith being guilty of DV against his wife. OSU fans seem to be intentionally blind to this fact because they have to be to continue to defend Meyer. They've lost all of their other defenses:
Meyer DIDN'T know!!! Oh ****, he did....well....
Meyer followed all the protocols!!! Oh ****, he didn't?.....well...
Courtney Smith is a bitter woman and is making it all up....
But if we're weighing the credibility of their stories, I'd believe Courtney Smith against the word of PROVEN LIARS Urban Meyer and Zach Smith every single time, unless I viewed some credible evidence to the contrary. Have you forgotten the Zach's response to Courtney's reminder that he choked and beat her??? "I'M SO SORRY!!!" Not something a wrongfully accused person would apologize for against a bitter wife!
It is relevant. A leopard doesn't change it's spots very often, Meyer's history and the similarities in how he's handled situations are telling.
Do you suffer from long term memory loss?......I don't remember
Do I have a link to what? The mother’s comments in his story are not disputed by the mother, so its not like Snook’s background creates bias. She said what she said. Im not taking sides, or even saying you are wrong.
.......What was that ?
"I read an article this morning suggesting Meyer didn't apologize....." Yes, do you have a link to that article? Honestly, the credibility of the mother and the motivation for her comments to Snook are very much disputed, as is the biased way that Snook framed the story.
https://www.facebook.com/823615204329212/posts/the-estranged-mother-of-courtney-smith-confirmed-to-me-on-saturday-she-sent-text/2059446414079412/
Any response to the other 90% of my post?
The fixation by some on Courtney Smith's mother in this whole episode is the equivalent of "Mark Fuhrman said the 'N-word' so OJ is not guilty.".....especially with respect to what Urban Meyer is already proven to have done.
Mark Furhman took the fifth amendment in a court of law when asked if he had any involvement.......That's a little more then saying the N word
Are you serious? I'm not going down that rabbit hole, but you've missed the point.
It's a classic lawyers' trick. The tactic of compartmentalizing a single piece of disputed or controversial information with respect to a much larger and straight-forward situation. Then expanding the importance or relevance of that piece of information out of proportion to all the other established evidence....because it's one of the few things that you can actually dispute. It's just another form of misdirection....in an attempt to fool people into doubting undisputed facts and the larger truth.
It's what OSU fans are doing in this case. Amusingly, it's what Bankwalker is doing by focusing on the "mother's comment" re the disputed DV allegation instead of the numerous instances of deception, omission, and cover-up that Meyer has been found to have done. Even if some piece of exculpatory evidence comes to light in the DV case in favor of Zach Smith (I'm not holding my breath)....it will not exonerate Meyer's conduct as described in the investigation report. None of Meyer's misdeeds in that report were contingent upon Zach Smith's guilt or innocence in the DV allegation.
No, I have absolutely nothing to say about the other 90% of your post. It was a waste of your time to type it out. You led off by saying it’s very hard to understand how people can defend Meyer or the University. I gave a simple response as to why the OSU people are continuing to do so, which is different from me saying I believe those things. . I didn’t have to read very far in to the novel that you had written to realize that you were going over the pyramid of evidence against urban Meyer, trying to argue that case with me. I stopped reading when I realized you were trying to change what I had said. Copy your post and save it for an OSU fan, because you make valid points.
You are exhibiting a 7th grade reading level. Im not focusing on anything. OSU fans are focusing on it, and if this happened in Athens the same would be true of a great many loyal Dawg fans. You said you didnt understand. I simply gave you THEIR perspective, not my own.
Here ya go. I shouldnt have to point this out to you but try to remember someone else wrote this, not me.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/college-football/urban-meyer-not-believe-courtney-smith/amp
Meyer protected his boy, OSU protected theirs. Karma is a beyotch and he’ll get his so let’s move on.