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  • KirbstomperKirbstomper ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Starting to think camargo May be more comfortable on the Mets. Both ****

  • CTDawgCTDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Just one freaking time can we have a clean 9th inning?

  • coastaldawgcoastaldawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2019

    Before the season started there were several posters on here saying that Camargo should start in place of Dansby, I think those ideas are gone now that he has had a chance to play since Dansby has been out. Tonight wasn’t the first time he’s fumbled the ball trying to get it out of his glove. Has about half the range that Dansby has.

    Don’t even want to talk about our new relievers, but two big wins to cool off the Mets. Glad their manager took Matz out early tonight.

  • donmdonm ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    No. is the short answer. On a side note, perhaps the Mets have the only bullpen in the majors worse than ours? Don't know what happens when the 7th inning arrives but the Bravos seem to wake up around then. This is a very gritty bunch. Very gritty.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    there’s one thing we seem to overlook on this forum consistently when discussing the Braves.

    All bullpens **** across baseball. Relievers in general are bad pitchers (failed starters almost all the time) and there aren’t near enough good ones to go around. As crappy as it is to watch our pen struggle, we aren’t alone in having to hold our nose watching our team pitch in the late innings.

    Again relievers kind of **** in general and the run environment is insane right now. Our bullpen isn’t exactly good, but it’s around mlb average to a little below. That should tell you just how crappy bullpens across the game are.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Seems like our bullpen has hit a wall the last month+. It could be the August heat up of bats

  • TeddyTeddy ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I don't think it was too hard to see why people might've wanted Johan to start over Dansby. Dansby was playing bad (batting wise at least) the last several seasons, Camargo seemed to be on the upswing. Camargo was batting in the .270s last year, Dansby in the .230s for several seasons with a lot less power too... However, this year they both trended in the opposite direction they were heading. Dansby playing well, and Camargo not playing well. Hindsight is always 20/20.

  • donmdonm ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Not sure what, if anything, happened to Johan. His full-time utility role doesn't seem to have worked for him this year. He seems to have slipped defensively as well as offensively. Hopefully just a blip and he'll return to "normal" next season or, even, later on this season. I'm pretty sure he hits better - almost .300 two years ago and .270 ish last year - with regular AB's but that doesn't seem to be happening this year. I'd hate to lose him but maybe he needs to go where he can play more - like for an entire season in a regular fashion.

  • LD10LD10 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Flowers is hurting us with his bat. He never comes through with runners on base. I know he had a hit (infield) but he would have been out if the pitcher had done his job.b

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2019

    He was never going to be good defensively at short, still think he is a good defensive 3B. As far as offense, he overperformed his xwoba in 2017 and 2018 by a good bit (expected weighted on base average, based on exit velocity and launch angle and is thought to be the best measure of a hitters quality of contact). This means he was “lucky” in that his offensive outcomes were better than what they should have been based on contact quality.

    This year all his offensive numbers are down and his xwoba reflects that. I guess my main point is really that the baseball card stats in 2017 and 2018 shouldn’t be considered his normal value because he had to get pretty lucky to get those.

    Separating out luck, his quality of contact implies he was an average ish hitter in 2017 and 2018. Which combined with his good defense at 3B, and his positional adjustment for playing a position typically occupied by guys that hit really well, all culminates in him being around a fringe average type MLB starter in 2017 and 2018. Not bad, but certainly not the kind of guy we should build around. He needs to figure out how to be good in his utility player role because that’s probably what his talent suggests he should be.

  • PTDawgPTDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    During that 9th inning botched double play last night was I the only one thinking that Dansby makes that play at least 9 times out of 10? We need him back. Hated hearing about the setback with his heel. Culberson and Camargo have value as bench/utility pieces but neither is in Swanson's league defensively.

  • BiggDawgg63BiggDawgg63 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    When the Dodgers come in we’ll find out what we’re made of. see if they can stand the pressure.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    That wasn’t the type of play I think we miss dansby most. Frankly I make that play 9/10 times, and both dansby and camargo are much better than me. IMO We miss dansby way more on play that show how little range camargo has at shortstop. He just doesn’t really belong there.

    Its not a super big deal because he isn’t supposed to be on the roster to be a starting shortstop. He’s a utility guy that can eat innings at short to spell the starter. We don’t have any legitimate SS prospects to call up in his place, so we are having to suffer through camargo.

  • donmdonm ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm guessing Johan makes it 9 times out of 10 as well. Last night happened to be the 10th time. Plus, 9 times out of 10 that play is not overturned on appeal.

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