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@Kasey You didn't take it off the rails. Most of us can ignore it when someone goes a little political. It's part of us all trying to keep the forum as it should.
A cooler morning in the Upstate of SC. Gonna watch our church service online soon. Again, still very quiet here. Most people are staying home a lot, which is good for the spread, but has to just **** for all the businesses around. Lesser of two evils right now, I know.
For what it's worth - I think the Italy comparison fits parts of our country too well (Northeast), but doesn't fit others as well. I fear for and pray for those people!
The geography, population density, socioeconomic status, healthcare systems, and public transportation options are so DRASTICALLY different across our country. Not sure you can lump the entire US in with numbers (when 1/3 of the cases are in NY) and compare them to other places lacking the variety we have. Italy is jam-packed compared to MOST of the US. It's older. And their culture is much more friendly.
I have worked with stats enough to know that you can make them say a lot in either direction. Some of what we have seen has been a little inflated. Some is no-doubt worse than what we see.
For instance... 20% of the infected are supposed to require some type of medical help/hospitalization, according to most I read. The incubation period looks to be close to 4-5 days. 9 days ago, I was told that 100,000 in Ohio were "probably" already infected. Have they hospitalized 20,000 COVID-19 patients this week? I haven't heard that. By now, those 20,000 should be in the middle of some tough days. I think - maybe - that specific "modeling" number may have been a touch high to justify some decisions. Now, I am not saying that decision was wrong. Not sure if the "information" was a bit of an oversell...
i agree with most of the measures that are happening. Not sure if locking down parts of rural Kansas like they are in San Fran makes sense. We just don't know cause all this is new to everybody! All I know for sure is that my house is CLEAN. I would eat off just about every surface there is. My hands are drying out. My windows and doors are open, and I ain't going anywhere to bunch up with people anytime soon.
Sorry to ramble! I lean glass-half-full most of the time, and Go Dawgs!
Was hoping to get the boat out today, but it's looking cloudy and pretty windy. The beaches are closed, but the water is still open.
By the way, the predominant seasonal flu strain this year is H1N1 (Swine Flu). 200-300 Floridians die each week from it this year...just to put things in perspective.
Great read in the AJC from a doc in Albany, where it really is tough right now...
HEROES!!!!
ok posting this light of new info I always try to react to new info just taking a fine tooth comb to the earlier article
Good for you for presenting both sides of something Kasey
Appreciate the "equal time" doctrine at work with you sharing the rebuttal from the UW bio professor (seriously)...but the response to the author "You didn't take the article apart, you just attacked the author." was my general takeaway after reading that thread, too.
To be clear - I work with a lot of brilliant scientists and have a full appreciation for the importance of scientific method and the danger of misrepresenting data to support a desired outcome...but nobody likes to cr ap on people without an advanced degree like an academic (!).
For me - the author starts with "I'm not an epidemiologist", and just because every one of his 20+ points aren't vetted in proven data/history the way a scientist would approach doesn't mean the concepts or predictions are not plausible or even likely to be confirmed. The prof even betrays his bias referring to how "right wing outlets might interpret".
Thanks again for sharing the info - I don't think it was political at all to do so...and sharing info to help us all educate ourselves will either help alleviate some of the anxiety we all have during this period or better prepare us for additional steps we may want to consider personally or as a society. Both are equally important IMO.
Everyone stay well and hopefully you can all get outside and enjoy some fresh air! Go Dawgs!
Great comment. Totally agree.
I found this on TOS and had a scared straight moment.
Kudos to those fighting on the front lines of a lot of uncertainty. You folks are showing the bravery of the firemen who entered the WTC on 9/11.
@Kasey the blog you linked was interesting. It definitely supports what the doctors I know have theorized would be the ultimate statistical outcome. One of those physicians does not think very much of epidemiologists, explaining they struggle to understand the effect of the medical community over time to alter the course.
The harsh measures haven’t been in place domestically for any where near long enough to influence any numbers.
Sounds like a cytokine storm. Crazy strong immune response leads to too much inflammation causing fluid build up in the lungs. It can happen really fast. If the flu gets bad, it kills the lung tissue from making so many copies of itself the cells get overwhelmed.
Sorry. I actually dis tryto find another news source to link instead of this one, but it’s hard to find anything positive on any of the others
@DvilleDawg. Scared was kind of the point of that article. It recklessly talks about “patients in their 40s” as if they are the norm and not the outliers. The sample size of patients in their 40’s with Covid that particular respiratory specialist has seen is tiny. What (I think) is important to remember about the people they reference with “no underlying medical conditions” is that they don’t actually know that to be an accurate assumption. Inflammation might be the single biggest killer among humans because of the domino effect it has on the body, but it is a condition that remains largely invisible, and to which many are susceptible and suffering.
If the (very limited) drug study out of France stands up, then hopefully this will be over soon. Keep the positive thoughts flowing!!!!.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0 This is a link to the HCQ and CQ study that has people hopeful. CQ is already good at treating inflammation from cytokine storms, so it would be great if it also reduced viral spread. The idea is that CQ changes the pH in the compartment the virus uses to enter the cell. Changing the pH makes it harder for the virus to inject its genome into the cellular environment to make more copies of itself. There is good reason to move this to people, but viruses tend to behave differently in cell cultures compared to people. We also have to be cautious that we aren't just selecting for a virus with a mutation that makes it resistant to CQ. This is why using multiple antivirals with different effects is important, and I'm cautiously optimistic CQ plus another class of drugs known as nucleotide analogs could really help people with COVID-19. The other drug is just an antibiotic to treat pneumonia as a result of a secondary infection.
I'm doing my part. Working from home. I actually started stocking up on canned goods and dried beans a couple of weeks before it hit the fan. Too bad I didn't buy toilet paper. What bothers me is there are still too many people that aren't taking this seriously. No one should drown in their own body fluids because somebody didn't care enough to listen to the experts.