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SEC legend Tim Tebow: Georgia needs ‘elite quarterback play to get over the hump’

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  • dawgfromduluthdawgfromduluth Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

    Albert Einstein

    Quit trying to prop-up Bennett. It's results that matter. He's had his chances. Time to give the ball to JTD.

  • MontanaDawgMontanaDawg Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BubbaBill...you are comparing apples and oranges when looking at the college football game and how it has evolved from Tebow's time. I mean seriously. Just look at the National Champions in the last 5 years and every single one of those teams had an elite - if not Heisman level - QB. Every single one. As Saban said, the game has changed and your offense needs to be as potent or very competent just like a Championship defense needs to be. You need both.

  • BubbaBillBubbaBill Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I totally agree and that’s why my first post today (around 8:30) addressed how over the past 3 NC games, Bennett performed better than 3 Heisman candidates/winners (ie Tua, Justin and Trevor). Please take a second to read that post. Go Dawgs!!!

  • JimBobDeweyJimBobDewey Posts: 2 ✭ Freshman

    UGA Quarterbacks do no throw the ball that much during the season. It's not who Georgia is. They're a ground and pound wear you out type of team. They are the master's of the East Division. However, when they have to score 45 points and throw the ball 40 times they usually don't win. They're not accustomed to that type of offense. If you want UGA offense to be a competitive team in the post-season you are going to have to play the way it takes to win in the post-season. In other words the offense needs to throw the ball 35-40 times in every game so that our guys have the reps to respond to that when needed. Just sayin'!

    Love the Dawgs!

    #DawgForLife

    #HBTFD

  • dawgfromduluthdawgfromduluth Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    It's all on Kirby. His scheme and personnel selection and prep was all faulty.

    The question at hand should be whether or not Kirby can make the transition to a championship head coach? He can start by demonstrating that he can make the right adjustments at the right time when his original plan isn't working.

    At this juncture, I'm not sure he's got it in him. I am sure that I wouldn't pay him a $100 million contract extension to find out.

  • dawgfromduluthdawgfromduluth Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
  • 87Dawg_1187Dawg_11 Posts: 110 ✭✭✭ Junior

    The SEC Championship was loss in preparation, not on game day. Kirby and his staff tried to impose their will on Alabama instead of game planning to take advantage of Alabama's weaknesses. UGA was/is the more talented team except at one position, QB. Texas A&M, Arkansas, Auburn exposed Alabama's weaknesses and UGA tried to do what was successful for 12 weeks against lesser talent. The good news is they may get another opportunity, the bad news is Kirby has shown he can beat an equal or more talented team.

  • MontanaDawgMontanaDawg Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BubbaBill...I think you misunderstood what I was saying. You're comparing statistics of QBs that lost their games. And when Tebow was running his offense he didn't need to pass as much in the style of play that was going on in 2009. Most teams were still pounding the running game. Can you imagine a team only passing for 231 yards (like Tebow did) and winning the National Championship today? It would never happen.

    And on your earlier post at 8:30am - Did you look at the Stats for the QBs that won? Much more yardage and much higher completion rates for the QBs that won the NC. Comparing Stet at a 60% completion rate to all the losing QBs in the playoffs doesn't make much sense to me. And the issue with Stet is so much more than statistics. You can't just look at stats. It's his decision making and accuracy that are limiting.

    My point in this whole thing is that Stetson has a limited ceiling on his abilities. Monken has a limited playbook that he can use with Stetson. He's said that before. He doesn't have a limited playbook with JT Daniels.

    There must be something going on behind the scenes with either JT's injury or something else. It makes no sense that he has seen virtually no playing time at all since he has supposedly recovered from his lat pull.

  • BubbaBillBubbaBill Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Tebow threw 30 times, completed 60% of his passes and had 2 interceptions…….and that was in a game where you say he didn’t have to pass as much which makes his poor performance even more outrageous since he didn’t have to force the passing game. Thanks for the “assist” in making my point. As far as my comments about Tua, Justin and Trevor….you are 100% correct and that’s my entire point. Stetson was light years better than any of them in the big game and all of them lost…..so why do you and others think Stetson was so bad when he was better than 3 Heisman winners/finalists?

  • MontanaDawgMontanaDawg Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2021

    @BubbaBill....I think we're misunderstanding each other but to your question about Stet...

    Let's throw out all the stats you keep quoting, because ultimately it is whether or not you win or lose that matters. I don't think Stet is a bad QB, but he has limitations on his ability and skills, and our offense is limited on the play calling. The bottom line is he lost Saturday. And we all know the winning National Champion QBs over the last 5 years are elite and much better than Stet. I seriously do not think we can win a National Championship with Stetson Bennett at QB. QB is King in college football today.

    Why couldn't Stet and the offense score enough points Saturday to beat Bama? He doesn't have the skills. Stet is the leader, but he couldn't get it done and this isn't the first time he's gotten smoked against Bama. We couldn't convert on multiple 3rd and 4th downs late in the game. Why have we always struggled on 3rd down completions this season? We were 3/12 on 3rd downs Saturday.

    You can't convince me that Stetson Bennett can win a game against the better opponents. He has never beaten a really good team.

    Who was our QB when we beat Cincinnati and Clemson? JT Daniels. Those two teams are the two best teams we've played and won during the last 2 seasons.

    Fans are frustrated because JT Daniels has more skills, ability, and upside than Stet. Now, that doesn't mean JT doesn't throw interceptions or make mistakes. He does. And I was never sold on all the JT Daniels hype. But I DO think he is a better QB than Stet. Why not play him? Kirby has hardly given Daniels any playing time. That's why fans are so frustrated. It's nothing personal against Bennett.

  • BubbaBillBubbaBill Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2021

    Montana,

    So you believe Stetson “doesn’t have the skills to win”. That may be true, but the point you’re missing is you MUST say the same for Tua, Justin and Trevor because they literally did NO BETTER in the big games than Stetson in stats and the final scores….and that’s what you are basing your assumption on. No better, not even slightly better. I get that they lost and so did Stetson, but my entire point is that the Heisman QB winners and nominees over the past 3 years were no better than Stetson Bennett in their championship games. So I ask you a very simple question, “why DIDN’T Tua, Justin and Trevor have the skills to win or even make the games more competitive than Stetson”? It’s all because they gave 100% effort and their respective teams let them down….just like our team let Stetson down, but he is unfairly branded as the goat.

  • MontanaDawgMontanaDawg Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2021

    @BubbaBill...I stand by my belief. You're basing your argument on statistics of one game. Those QBs you mention were good enough to win National Championships at some point in their college career and also a couple won the Heisman trophies. Are you trying to compare Stet with any of them? That's absurd!!

    Mac Jones didn't win the Heisman last year, but he scorched the Dawgs last season, and he led Bama to the Title. Stetson got demolished in the Bama game last season.

    2019 - Heisman winner Joe Burrows lights up the Dawgs and LSU destroyed us. LSU goes on to win the Natty.

    Do you think Stet is better than either of those QBs? He's not even on the same level.

    Your argument is silly.

  • BubbaBillBubbaBill Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2021

    I think we are just misunderstanding each other. I’m not saying Stetson is in the same class with any of those great QBs. I’m just giving multiple examples of Heisman level QBs in the past 3 NC games who performed no better than Bennett. It’s definitely a “team” sport so we shouldn’t blame one specific player for losses. That’s all I’m saying and I sincerely believe Stetson gave us 100% effort just like Tua, Jalen and Trevor did in their games. Go Dawgs!

  • stonestone Posts: 399 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Tebow is correct about the need for a quarterback that plays at the elite level.

    Something I did not realize until I read it on the SEC Rant. Alabama may be the only school to have a Heisman winner, Devonta Smith, during his career at Bama to catch touchdown passes from four (4) Heisman finalists (Hurts, Tua, Jones, and Young.

    Young only threw 22 passes as a freshman and one touchdown pass, that pass was caught by Smith against Ky.

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