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Was a network engineer at one point in my IT career. I got my CCNA and thought I knew everything there was to know about networking. Then I started studying for the CCNP exam. I quickly realized I didn't know anything but the basics and was just a beginner.
People with Dunning Kruger just get the CCNA and stop. Thinking they know everything about networking. They never dive deeper to realize they don't.
That was another aspect that further study by Dunning and Kruger found; people can learn what true expertise, mastery, excellence, etc., is and then reevaluate themselves by those newly-learned standards.
Below are a couple of graphs to illustrate the progression:
from WebMD:
"An inexperienced person might start with high confidence that doesn't
match their knowledge or abilities. As they learn more, they understand
their shortcomings, and their confidence drops even though their
knowledge has increased. As they gain more knowledge and experience,
their confidence rebounds, but it's never as high as it was in the
beginning."
I think for most people though, the motivation to learn this is missing if they already see themselves at or near the expert level. Why be self-aware when you can just stay your own biggest fan, right?😁
So, your explanation makes me curious about how expert violinists- those at the absolute top of their profession - see themselves. It's reported that a young student asked Pablo Casals why, at the age of 92, he continued to practice 4 hours per day. His response, "I think I see some improvement". Very interesting stuff. Confidence is so important in many fields but false or misplaced confidence or undeserved confidence is…. bad ?
I am just a curious reader on this for the past several years, so I am not asserting that my understanding is the absolute correct one. The actual researchers have said it is often misunderstood or applied, so please read my posts with that caveat.
As far as the subjects that performed in the highest quartile, an interpretation that was given was that those people did not see themselves as more gifted than anyone else and assumed their levels of performance to be more common than they actually were instead of being in reality much higher than the sample population overall. Like your example, those people have a high metacognitive awareness of the traits of excellence and recognize even small areas where they fall short.
Another perhaps oversimplified take is that this study shows why idiots with "unearned" confidence end up in charge of things instead of mostly the objectively smart and competent people. You can tell a smart person how smart they are and they might no believe you, but a moron cannot comprehend how that can be true of them 😁
I think you have to suffer from Dunning-Kruger, or you can't be a member in good standing here.
At least the guys with high post-counts…