I’m just gonna say it..

pgjackson · December 2018

@DawginSC said:

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** In the Rose Bowl last year... we had a True Freshman QB making audibles into big plays after reading the defense... while OU had a Heisman winner who looked to the sideline before each snap to see what the coach wanted him to call. **

Fromm's ability to read the defense and adjust at the line and his ability to know where to go with the ball during the play are a talent that isn't common. Most people have to develop that over years. He had it better than most Senior QB's do as a True Freshman. And that ability is the most important factor in playing QB... not being a fast runner or having a rocket arm.

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**Fields doesn't have that yet. He doesn't make multiple reads and runs way too quickly under pressure. **

THIS!

pgjackson · December 2018

@JoeClark said:

@donm said:

@JoeClark said:

@JimWallace said:

And I've said this before - a lot of Dawg fans are going to be frustrated when Justin Fields has a lot of success - because he will. And he may turn out to be better than Fromm. But Fromm was the best choice when they were both on the same campus.

If Fields stayed, I think it's highly likely that he wins the job in spring practice.** But not without a fight - Fromm has that "IT" factor. We'll just never know.**

That's just my opinion.

What in the world leads you to believe Fields is anywhere near Fromm? Take away all the HS hype, focus only on on-field performance. Fields right now (after 13 games) isn't even close to where Fromm was last year against ND. The gap is wide. Fields has some advantages, but Fromm is a total package rarely seen.

Tap the brakes. I definitely said Fromm was the guy. Have been all year. But Fields is talented. Just said if Fields stuck around in the spring he would have a chance to beat out Fromm. But we'll never know.

I get that Fromm is a special. I've been involved in the game for a very long time - I do understand a few things.

Read what you actually said, please, sir.

I hope Fields sticks around and that much of what we've heard turns out to be malarky. Having said that, Fields clearly has potential, but that's all he's shown us. I see very little to indicate Fields is anywhere near where a guy needs to be to succeed as a starting QB in a big time program.

He's not highly likely to beat out Fromm in the spring. I doubt he has a bat's chance. I'm not convinced he will be a good quarterback at any program until he learns to read the defenses and stand in the pocket. He's a deer in the headlights. Yes, he has potential, but that counts for nothing on the field of play.

You say you know the game, and perhaps you do. I can't claim to omniscience about football, but I'm open to you telling all of us what you see that causes you to believe Fields has a chance to or is highly likely to displace Fromm should he continue the ongoing competition, a competition it appears he's withdrawing from (and why would he do that with such good prospects?).

From my point of view Fields hasn't grown much over the course of the season. I'm sure he's worked hard and been coached up and had significant reps in practice and all that. Why hasn't he developed?

My guess...Well, we'll save that for down the road.

Go, Dawgs!

My question is - how can you make the assessment that Fields hasn’t grown?
He wasn’t in any game long enough to really get settled down and looked pretty good against UMass (I know,UMass)...
Fromm started plenty of games nervous and on this board almost every Saturday someone was in the thread mentioning he needs to calm down....
So what’s the difference...He’s a freshmen as well. There’s going to be nerves.

This isn’t making the case for him starting or Fromm blah blah blah but there are a lot grown adults on this board going on about a kid like he stole your pet or something.

Kirby has said on numerous occasions that Fields is a hard worker and has improved a lot.

He has said that; however, when many posters share their “evaluations” of his development they use his reactions over a few peculiar snaps and that’s what I’m questioning.

None of us are at practice. We have reports and coach speak and the little snaps but there continues to be “he hasn’t developed or shown anything” comments... I’m just asking - how can they make that assessment.

That's what I think is the problem. Fields may look like a hero in practice, but in a game he panics. Lots of guys look great in practice, or 7-on-7 drills....but in a live situation where the stress and danger is real they can't think fast enough. You can't look Fields in the AP game and then look at him at the end of the year and honestly believe he got any better.

dawghouse · December 2018

@DawginSC said:
Justin Fields = Cam Newton or Matt Stafford. I'm not saying he'll be a first round draft pick... but both of those guys had incredible physical tools and had to work their asses off to improve at reading defenses and making good decisions in games.

Jake Fromm = Drew Brees or Tom Brady. I'm not saying he'll be a 10+ year NFL starter, but those are all examples of talented but not "first round pick" talented guys who had a quicker/easier time reading defenses and learning to make good decisions.

That decision making is the hardest thing for a QB to get... and the most important thing for a QB to have success. You can have elite physical talent like JaMarcuss Russell, Ryan Leaf or Vince YOung... but those guys never were able to get good enough at the decision making side and were busts. Meanwhile a guy who clearly lacked NFL talent like Chad Pennington can have a long NFL career despite a noodle arm because he did have the decision making side down pat.

In the Rose Bowl last year... we had a True Freshman QB making audibles into big plays after reading the defense... while OU had a Heisman winner who looked to the sideline before each snap to see what the coach wanted him to call.

Fromm's ability to read the defense and adjust at the line and his ability to know where to go with the ball during the play are a talent that isn't common. Most people have to develop that over years. He had it better than most Senior QB's do as a True Freshman. And that ability is the most important factor in playing QB... not being a fast runner or having a rocket arm.

Yes... you'd love a guy like both. John Elway was an example of that. But if you don't have both you take Drew Brees over Matt Stafford.

Fields doesn't have that yet. He doesn't make multiple reads and runs way too quickly under pressure. You don't bench the guy with the proven decision making for the one who doesn't have it but has talent and hope it develops. I remember when Texas did that by benching Major Applewhite in favor of Chris Simms. It was the wrong move.

Spot on!

JoeClark · December 2018

@pgjackson said:

@JoeClark said:

@donm said:

@JoeClark said:

@JimWallace said:

And I've said this before - a lot of Dawg fans are going to be frustrated when Justin Fields has a lot of success - because he will. And he may turn out to be better than Fromm. But Fromm was the best choice when they were both on the same campus.

If Fields stayed, I think it's highly likely that he wins the job in spring practice.** But not without a fight - Fromm has that "IT" factor. We'll just never know.**

That's just my opinion.

What in the world leads you to believe Fields is anywhere near Fromm? Take away all the HS hype, focus only on on-field performance. Fields right now (after 13 games) isn't even close to where Fromm was last year against ND. The gap is wide. Fields has some advantages, but Fromm is a total package rarely seen.

Tap the brakes. I definitely said Fromm was the guy. Have been all year. But Fields is talented. Just said if Fields stuck around in the spring he would have a chance to beat out Fromm. But we'll never know.

I get that Fromm is a special. I've been involved in the game for a very long time - I do understand a few things.

Read what you actually said, please, sir.

I hope Fields sticks around and that much of what we've heard turns out to be malarky. Having said that, Fields clearly has potential, but that's all he's shown us. I see very little to indicate Fields is anywhere near where a guy needs to be to succeed as a starting QB in a big time program.

He's not highly likely to beat out Fromm in the spring. I doubt he has a bat's chance. I'm not convinced he will be a good quarterback at any program until he learns to read the defenses and stand in the pocket. He's a deer in the headlights. Yes, he has potential, but that counts for nothing on the field of play.

You say you know the game, and perhaps you do. I can't claim to omniscience about football, but I'm open to you telling all of us what you see that causes you to believe Fields has a chance to or is highly likely to displace Fromm should he continue the ongoing competition, a competition it appears he's withdrawing from (and why would he do that with such good prospects?).

From my point of view Fields hasn't grown much over the course of the season. I'm sure he's worked hard and been coached up and had significant reps in practice and all that. Why hasn't he developed?

My guess...Well, we'll save that for down the road.

Go, Dawgs!

My question is - how can you make the assessment that Fields hasn’t grown?
He wasn’t in any game long enough to really get settled down and looked pretty good against UMass (I know,UMass)...
Fromm started plenty of games nervous and on this board almost every Saturday someone was in the thread mentioning he needs to calm down....
So what’s the difference...He’s a freshmen as well. There’s going to be nerves.

This isn’t making the case for him starting or Fromm blah blah blah but there are a lot grown adults on this board going on about a kid like he stole your pet or something.

Kirby has said on numerous occasions that Fields is a hard worker and has improved a lot.

He has said that; however, when many posters share their “evaluations” of his development they use his reactions over a few peculiar snaps and that’s what I’m questioning.

None of us are at practice. We have reports and coach speak and the little snaps but there continues to be “he hasn’t developed or shown anything” comments... I’m just asking - how can they make that assessment.

That's what I think is the problem. Fields may look like a hero in practice, but in a game he panics. Lots of guys look great in practice, or 7-on-7 drills....but in a live situation where the stress and danger is real they can't think fast enough. You can't look Fields in the AP game and then look at him at the end of the year and honestly believe he got any better.

Now this is something I can understand.
From my brief background in amateur boxing, you can look like a superstar sparring, then when it's tournament time - your nerves show up and you cant throw a punch. So I get that analogy....
The only thing you can do is keep getting put in those situations until it's gets better.
Whether it's with UGA or not, I hope Fields continues to develop.

pgjackson · December 2018

@JoeClark said:

@pgjackson said:

@JoeClark said:

@donm said:

@JoeClark said:

@JimWallace said:

And I've said this before - a lot of Dawg fans are going to be frustrated when Justin Fields has a lot of success - because he will. And he may turn out to be better than Fromm. But Fromm was the best choice when they were both on the same campus.

If Fields stayed, I think it's highly likely that he wins the job in spring practice.** But not without a fight - Fromm has that "IT" factor. We'll just never know.**

That's just my opinion.

What in the world leads you to believe Fields is anywhere near Fromm? Take away all the HS hype, focus only on on-field performance. Fields right now (after 13 games) isn't even close to where Fromm was last year against ND. The gap is wide. Fields has some advantages, but Fromm is a total package rarely seen.

Tap the brakes. I definitely said Fromm was the guy. Have been all year. But Fields is talented. Just said if Fields stuck around in the spring he would have a chance to beat out Fromm. But we'll never know.

I get that Fromm is a special. I've been involved in the game for a very long time - I do understand a few things.

Read what you actually said, please, sir.

I hope Fields sticks around and that much of what we've heard turns out to be malarky. Having said that, Fields clearly has potential, but that's all he's shown us. I see very little to indicate Fields is anywhere near where a guy needs to be to succeed as a starting QB in a big time program.

He's not highly likely to beat out Fromm in the spring. I doubt he has a bat's chance. I'm not convinced he will be a good quarterback at any program until he learns to read the defenses and stand in the pocket. He's a deer in the headlights. Yes, he has potential, but that counts for nothing on the field of play.

You say you know the game, and perhaps you do. I can't claim to omniscience about football, but I'm open to you telling all of us what you see that causes you to believe Fields has a chance to or is highly likely to displace Fromm should he continue the ongoing competition, a competition it appears he's withdrawing from (and why would he do that with such good prospects?).

From my point of view Fields hasn't grown much over the course of the season. I'm sure he's worked hard and been coached up and had significant reps in practice and all that. Why hasn't he developed?

My guess...Well, we'll save that for down the road.

Go, Dawgs!

My question is - how can you make the assessment that Fields hasn’t grown?
He wasn’t in any game long enough to really get settled down and looked pretty good against UMass (I know,UMass)...
Fromm started plenty of games nervous and on this board almost every Saturday someone was in the thread mentioning he needs to calm down....
So what’s the difference...He’s a freshmen as well. There’s going to be nerves.

This isn’t making the case for him starting or Fromm blah blah blah but there are a lot grown adults on this board going on about a kid like he stole your pet or something.

Kirby has said on numerous occasions that Fields is a hard worker and has improved a lot.

He has said that; however, when many posters share their “evaluations” of his development they use his reactions over a few peculiar snaps and that’s what I’m questioning.

None of us are at practice. We have reports and coach speak and the little snaps but there continues to be “he hasn’t developed or shown anything” comments... I’m just asking - how can they make that assessment.

That's what I think is the problem. Fields may look like a hero in practice, but in a game he panics. Lots of guys look great in practice, or 7-on-7 drills....but in a live situation where the stress and danger is real they can't think fast enough. You can't look Fields in the AP game and then look at him at the end of the year and honestly believe he got any better.

Now this is something I can understand.
From my brief background in amateur boxing, you can look like a superstar sparring, then when it's tournament time - your nerves show up and you cant throw a punch. So I get that analogy....
The only thing you can do is keep getting put in those situations until it's gets better.
Whether it's with UGA or not, I hope Fields continues to develop.

Yep. Football is a combat sport. It's one of the few sports where gametime is completely different than practice. When people are actively trying to hurt you, that changes everything.

I think Kirby gave Fields plenty of opportunities to get game experience, but he kept regressing to what he knows best...one read then take off running. And that will work marvelously in other systems, but not in our system. I thought he came here to learn to be a pocket passer. Looks like he just wants to play as soon as possible and be a typical running QB.

FirePlugDawg · December 2018

@DawginSC said:
Justin Fields = Cam Newton or Matt Stafford. I'm not saying he'll be a first round draft pick... but both of those guys had incredible physical tools and had to work their asses off to improve at reading defenses and making good decisions in games.

Jake Fromm = Drew Brees or Tom Brady. I'm not saying he'll be a 10+ year NFL starter, but those are all examples of talented but not "first round pick" talented guys who had a quicker/easier time reading defenses and learning to make good decisions.

That decision making is the hardest thing for a QB to get... and the most important thing for a QB to have success. You can have elite physical talent like JaMarcuss Russell, Ryan Leaf or Vince YOung... but those guys never were able to get good enough at the decision making side and were busts. Meanwhile a guy who clearly lacked NFL talent like Chad Pennington can have a long NFL career despite a noodle arm because he did have the decision making side down pat.

In the Rose Bowl last year... we had a True Freshman QB making audibles into big plays after reading the defense... while OU had a Heisman winner who looked to the sideline before each snap to see what the coach wanted him to call.

Fromm's ability to read the defense and adjust at the line and his ability to know where to go with the ball during the play are a talent that isn't common. Most people have to develop that over years. He had it better than most Senior QB's do as a True Freshman. And that ability is the most important factor in playing QB... not being a fast runner or having a rocket arm.

Yes... you'd love a guy like both. John Elway was an example of that. But if you don't have both you take Drew Brees over Matt Stafford.

Fields doesn't have that yet. He doesn't make multiple reads and runs way too quickly under pressure. You don't bench the guy with the proven decision making for the one who doesn't have it but has talent and hope it develops. I remember when Texas did that by benching Major Applewhite in favor of Chris Simms. It was the wrong move.

Truly EXCELLENT assessment. Well done. What one hopes to get from 'nation forum. Thank you.

MarkBoknecht · December 2018

@JimWallace said:
We absolutely need to beat Texas. There are many reasons. Reason number one is this - the whole point of playing the game is to win.

Go, Dawgs!

Totally agree. This is our New Years Day Bowl! And I know 60 other power 5 teams that would love to be in our shoes.
For people to dismiss this Bowl as meaningless, I would like to remind them that the Sugar Bowl is one of the original five, is the half-way point for both teams, and is the premier New Years Day bowl. It might even carry higher ratings than the semi-final games. Georgia is a very popular team nationally (look at the number of states we recruited in), just scheduled a home & home with Texas, and last played each other in 1984. So I think there will be a tremendous amount of interst and curiosity by both fan bases.
Plus, the game is in New Orleans. Party!

Bigcalidawg · December 2018

@CaliDawg said:

I'm not about that either but definitely bad timing by Fields'. He's not too young to know how to keep quite until an appropriate time.

Are you.........my son? Son! Finally!

RxDawg · December 2018

This is a great point about the Fields camp. Their silence about a lot of things is deafening. They could of squashed a lot of this. The only reason I'm not ready to dump on Fields yet is because Kirby wants him to stay. I think he has royally screwed up though. I also think he might be starting to realize it too. We don't know how much of this is coming from him, or the people around him. I kind of hate it's dominating everything though. That alone makes me kind of resent him.

RxDawg · December 2018

@dawgy10 said:
Justin is gone and Godwin and his **** stirring family is gone... fresh start

Please don't let Godwin's mom take anything that young man has done for UGA both on and off the field. He's been stellar in every way and couldn't of been a better DGD.

RxDawg · December 2018

@pgjackson said:

@Bulldawg1982 said:

@pgjackson said:

@Bulldawg1982 said:

@Lefty13 said:
I think we dodged a bullet with Hasselwood, with fields gone hopefully we've cut out the cancer. Fields had it made here but was far to short sighted to see it. Glad hasselwood isn't coming and Fields is gone. Only regret is him going with us to the Sugar Bowl, they ought to set his stuff out beside the road.

I agree, at this point I want JF1 gone. However, do we wanna go to New Orleans to play Texas with 0 backup QB? Unfortunately we kinda need him there and suited up just in case JF11 gets injured (knock on wood).

I think we can beat UT with whoever the 3rd string QB is. Kirby said something at the end of the report about Fields having to find a new school soon because classes start Jan 8th. Made it sound like he was saying that he would like Fields to stay on the team and play in the Sugar, but it's not likely because if he intends to leave he needs to go now. I guess if Fields wants to be like an early enrollee at a different school, he can't wait till after the bowl game.

Perhaps but shouldn't he really be on the ball school searching and not getting plenty of reps and looking "sharp" at practice today? This whole situation is weird. Check out Mike Griffiths new article if you haven't already.
In regards to our 3rd string QB against Texas, you're probably right if he's needed, say, late in the 2nd half. However, god forbid, if JF11 goes down 2 mins into the game, we may need JF1 to bail us out. Idk this all s.u.c.k.s.

The bowl is truly unimportant right now. We have the #2 recruiting class. I doubt any of them will decommit if we lose to UT. Winning the bowl won't attract more commits either.

I understand what you are saying but... It's never unimportant when the Dawgs are on a football field.

RxDawg · December 2018

@PerroGrande said:

@scooterdawg said:

That's true but there's also a lot of grown adults on here who are so terrified of losing one player that they will grasp at any straw to keep him...see..works both ways. I could also ask what, nerves aside, Fields did this year to make many on here think we are losing a once in a lifetime player?

Watch his film. Great arm, mechanics, size, speed. He runs like an SEC tailback already, even with Kirby yelling at him about lowering his shoulder. That tells you he is a competitor. Watch how he finds the open receivers on the G Day highlights. He has good vision. He came in intermittently against the top teams in the SEC as a TF who didn't have the advantage of starting the whole year and getting the reps. If you don't believe me, scooter, and I understand you think we are looking through rose colored glasses, watch how hard he gets recruited. Teams are salivating over Fields because he is a generational talent and it's obvious to them.

I actually disagree with his running ability. It's ok... but he's no Mike Vick or Cam Newton. I'd grade him better than average in that category.

WCDawg · December 2018

@dawgy10 said:
Im just readi g between the lines but im guessing Godwin mom was referring to fields in her rants about "the truth" and character assasination

This is the other edge of Fields' disruptiveness. Not only do we not need the constant pandering to his wishes, he is divisive to the fan base and worst of all, internally. The more I think about it the more it seems apparent Fields says a lot behind the back.

SaltDawg1515 · December 2018

Hope he goes to OSU. Will be a big fan of Martell.

YK_DAWG24 · December 2018

@SaltDawg1515 said:
Hope he goes to OSU. Will be a big fan of Martell.

Just sound like a hater now, smh

I’m just gonna say it..

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