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Apple has lost 35% of it's market value since Oct 2nd....

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  • Raiderbeater1Raiderbeater1 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @CFPTitle_Dawg said:
    Time to buy more? I have taken the hit since buying earlier this year but could go for more.

    I wouldn't touch a stock till there is some indication the bottom is close.
    Alan Greenspan of all people thinks we're in for a really deep downturn.

    There are profitable stocks out there. Don’t buy the bloated Tech stocks.

  • Raiderbeater1Raiderbeater1 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @a_rattler said:

    @WCDawg said:
    Hold on folks, this is getting serious. I'm too old for a slow climb back.

    Everyone knew that iPhone sales would slow down as they went from being cultural phenomenons to regular products. Apple staved this off first by introducing larger screens then by boosting Chinese sales to compensate for falling US sales but they finally ran out of tricks. Their attempts to turn India into another China for them failed for regulatory reasons as India's government did not want too much competition for their own domestic smartphone industry, and there are no other big markets for them to expand to.

    The iPhone had a great run ... the longest in history for a product that expensive at that volume and scale. But it is finally over. Apple knew this was coming in advance and it is the reason why they have been pivoting to being a services company for some time. Even though they can make as money that way as before that doesn't excite the stockbrokers as much as selling 100 million iPhones a quarter used to.

    Apple is just my example though, it's virtually the entire market, from tech to heavy industry to services. It's the stock market, not jobs, etc, those generally lag behind the market.

    You gotta know your audience by now. Most people here wont want to admit we're heading for another bad recession and they will definitely get mad for you pinning blame on trump. You're trying to get the forum riled up at this point.

    That wasn't my original intent, but when it seemed there was a subtle shift to Obama bad I was quick to react. No doubt I knew this was possible or even likely though. Also, I use the word ''though'' too often, I usually have to edit most out.

    Yeah the Democrats are the root of all evil posts are predictable. It's best to stay away from online political interactions. Incredibly unproductive and turns into a giant pi ssing match

    It's almost like both sides should stop demonizing the other and maybe work together to fix things


    He'll never find bipartisanship

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Nor will Nancy or that other nutlicker, Chuck Schumer

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Trump was quick to claim to be the greatest president in history simply by riding Obama's expansion out. Obama took the job market from 10% unemployment down to 4.7%. The decline continued under Trump, it went down .7% and Trump claimed the best job growth in history. It's like somebody else climbed within 500ft of the top of Everest, Trump flew in had Sherpas carry him 500ft, and had a butt boy plant a Trump Summit flag.
    He deserves every bit of fallout for being who he is.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    Trump was quick to claim to be the greatest president in history simply by riding Obama's expansion out. Obama took the job market from 10% unemployment down to 4.7%. The decline continued under Trump, it went down .7% and Trump claimed the best job growth in history. It's like somebody else climbed within 500ft of the top of Everest, Trump flew in had Sherpas carry him 500ft, and had a butt boy plant a Trump Summit flag.
    He deserves every bit of fallout for being who he is.

    I'm not going to defend Trump, just posting what I know. The whole time he was running off about the above things you mention I was thinking it was a bad idea. I don't know who I will vote for next time around, but I hope there's an alternative to him and the commies you support.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2018

    @Raiderbeater1 said:
    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

    That boat has sailed.
    One thing I do agree with Trump on is protecting our intellectual property. I'd be glad to throw some CEOs in prison for sending information developed in America to China. Trump is FOS with his coal wars and pretending we can revert back to a 1960s economy though. If we really cut the cord with China it wouldn't be a recession, it would be a monumental collapse across the developed world. We are dependent on each other. The fact is we are also losing market dominance, the world won't depend as heavily on selling their goods here as the east continues to expand their markets. That will leave us with 2 aces, our way of life and intellectual property. If we can't dominate in tech development and retention, we'll be second rate in 20 years.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    Trump was quick to claim to be the greatest president in history simply by riding Obama's expansion out. Obama took the job market from 10% unemployment down to 4.7%. The decline continued under Trump, it went down .7% and Trump claimed the best job growth in history. It's like somebody else climbed within 500ft of the top of Everest, Trump flew in had Sherpas carry him 500ft, and had a butt boy plant a Trump Summit flag.
    He deserves every bit of fallout for being who he is.

    I'm not going to defend Trump, just posting what I know. The whole time he was running off about the above things you mention I was thinking it was a bad idea. I don't know who I will vote for next time around, but I hope there's an alternative to him and the commies you support.

    What ''commies'' do I support smart ass.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2018

    @WCDawg said:

    @Raiderbeater1 said:
    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

    That boat has sailed.
    One thing I do agree with Trump on is protecting our intellectual property. I'd be glad to throw some CEOs in prison for sending information developed in America to China. Trump is FOS with his coal wars and pretending we can revert back to a 1960s economy though. If we really cut the cord with China it wouldn't be a recession, it would be a monumental collapse across the developed world. We are dependent on each other. The fact is we are also losing market dominance, the world won't depend as heavily on selling their goods here as the east continues to expand their markets. That will leave us with 2 aces, our way of life and intellectual property. If we can't dominate in tech development and retention, we'll be second rate in 20 years.

    We need to dominate alternative energy production and development

  • a_rattlera_rattler Posts: 337 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @WCDawg said:

    @a_rattler said:

    @WCDawg said:
    Hold on folks, this is getting serious. I'm too old for a slow climb back.

    Everyone knew that iPhone sales would slow down as they went from being cultural phenomenons to regular products. Apple staved this off first by introducing larger screens then by boosting Chinese sales to compensate for falling US sales but they finally ran out of tricks. Their attempts to turn India into another China for them failed for regulatory reasons as India's government did not want too much competition for their own domestic smartphone industry, and there are no other big markets for them to expand to.

    The iPhone had a great run ... the longest in history for a product that expensive at that volume and scale. But it is finally over. Apple knew this was coming in advance and it is the reason why they have been pivoting to being a services company for some time. Even though they can make as money that way as before that doesn't excite the stockbrokers as much as selling 100 million iPhones a quarter used to.

    Apple is just my example though, it's virtually the entire market, from tech to heavy industry to services. It's the stock market, not jobs, etc, those generally lag behind the market.

    I understand. It is just that Apple is a terrible example to try to use to illustrate broader trends. If the iPhone was still selling like it was 3 years ago and its stock price was falling you would have a point. As it is this is little different from using the decline of Sears, ToysRUs and Kmart - all years or decades in the making - to try to be the result of contemporary economic policies and political leadership.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2018

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Raiderbeater1 said:
    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

    That boat has sailed.
    One thing I do agree with Trump on is protecting our intellectual property. I'd be glad to throw some CEOs in prison for sending information developed in America to China. Trump is FOS with his coal wars and pretending we can revert back to a 1960s economy though. If we really cut the cord with China it wouldn't be a recession, it would be a monumental collapse across the developed world. We are dependent on each other. The fact is we are also losing market dominance, the world won't depend as heavily on selling their goods here as the east continues to expand their markets. That will leave us with 2 aces, our way of life and intellectual property. If we can't dominate in tech development and retention, we'll be second rate in 20 years.

    We need to dominate alternative energy production development

    Absolutely we do, and we need to treat all emerging technologies that might be important going forward like Manhattan Projects. Put money into those things that hold the keys to future growth and dominance.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @a_rattler said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @a_rattler said:

    @WCDawg said:
    Hold on folks, this is getting serious. I'm too old for a slow climb back.

    Everyone knew that iPhone sales would slow down as they went from being cultural phenomenons to regular products. Apple staved this off first by introducing larger screens then by boosting Chinese sales to compensate for falling US sales but they finally ran out of tricks. Their attempts to turn India into another China for them failed for regulatory reasons as India's government did not want too much competition for their own domestic smartphone industry, and there are no other big markets for them to expand to.

    The iPhone had a great run ... the longest in history for a product that expensive at that volume and scale. But it is finally over. Apple knew this was coming in advance and it is the reason why they have been pivoting to being a services company for some time. Even though they can make as money that way as before that doesn't excite the stockbrokers as much as selling 100 million iPhones a quarter used to.

    Apple is just my example though, it's virtually the entire market, from tech to heavy industry to services. It's the stock market, not jobs, etc, those generally lag behind the market.

    I understand. It is just that Apple is a terrible example to try to use to illustrate broader trends. If the iPhone was still selling like it was 3 years ago and its stock price was falling you would have a point. As it is this is little different from using the decline of Sears, ToysRUs and Kmart - all years or decades in the making - to try to be the result of contemporary economic policies and political leadership.

    That is an overstatement, but I see your point. Samsung has taken a lot of market share from Apple. Though Apple still has incredible profit margins.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Raiderbeater1 said:
    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

    That boat has sailed.
    One thing I do agree with Trump on is protecting our intellectual property. I'd be glad to throw some CEOs in prison for sending information developed in America to China. Trump is FOS with his coal wars and pretending we can revert back to a 1960s economy though. If we really cut the cord with China it wouldn't be a recession, it would be a monumental collapse across the developed world. We are dependent on each other. The fact is we are also losing market dominance, the world won't depend as heavily on selling their goods here as the east continues to expand their markets. That will leave us with 2 aces, our way of life and intellectual property. If we can't dominate in tech development and retention, we'll be second rate in 20 years.

    We need to dominate alternative energy production development

    Absolutely we do, and we need to treat all emerging technologies that might be important going forward like Manhattan Projects. Put money into those things that hold the keys to future growth and dominance.

    Who should? The Federal Government?

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Raiderbeater1 said:
    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

    That boat has sailed.
    One thing I do agree with Trump on is protecting our intellectual property. I'd be glad to throw some CEOs in prison for sending information developed in America to China. Trump is FOS with his coal wars and pretending we can revert back to a 1960s economy though. If we really cut the cord with China it wouldn't be a recession, it would be a monumental collapse across the developed world. We are dependent on each other. The fact is we are also losing market dominance, the world won't depend as heavily on selling their goods here as the east continues to expand their markets. That will leave us with 2 aces, our way of life and intellectual property. If we can't dominate in tech development and retention, we'll be second rate in 20 years.

    We need to dominate alternative energy production development

    Absolutely we do, and we need to treat all emerging technologies that might be important going forward like Manhattan Projects. Put money into those things that hold the keys to future growth and dominance.

    Who should? The Federal Government?

    Of course.
    Don't be an Ayn Rand parroting idiot your whole life. federal investments in the 50s through the 70s laid the foundation for the tech market that brought us back from under the thumb of The Japanese electronics and auto industries that dominated the world from the late 70s into the 90s. The Chinese dam sure use government money and resources to fuel it's tech economy. If you think there is a world free market, you're clueless.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Raiderbeater1 said:
    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

    That boat has sailed.
    One thing I do agree with Trump on is protecting our intellectual property. I'd be glad to throw some CEOs in prison for sending information developed in America to China. Trump is FOS with his coal wars and pretending we can revert back to a 1960s economy though. If we really cut the cord with China it wouldn't be a recession, it would be a monumental collapse across the developed world. We are dependent on each other. The fact is we are also losing market dominance, the world won't depend as heavily on selling their goods here as the east continues to expand their markets. That will leave us with 2 aces, our way of life and intellectual property. If we can't dominate in tech development and retention, we'll be second rate in 20 years.

    We need to dominate alternative energy production development

    Absolutely we do, and we need to treat all emerging technologies that might be important going forward like Manhattan Projects. Put money into those things that hold the keys to future growth and dominance.

    Who should? The Federal Government?

    Of course.
    Don't be an Ayn Rand parroting idiot your whole life. federal investments in the 50s through the 70s laid the foundation for the tech market that brought us back from under the thumb of The Japanese electronics and auto industries that dominated the world from the late 70s into the 90s. The Chinese dam sure use government money and resources to fuel it's tech economy. If you think there is a world free market, you're clueless.

    You are incapable of having a discussion without insulting people. You should seek help.

    Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

    Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
    Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
    Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
    Exaggerate achievements and talents
    Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
    Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
    Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
    Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
    Take advantage of others to get what they want
    Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
    Be envious of others and believe others envy them
    Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
    Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
    At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

    Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
    Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
    React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
    Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
    Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
    Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
    Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @a_rattler said:

    @WCDawg said:
    Hold on folks, this is getting serious. I'm too old for a slow climb back.

    Everyone knew that iPhone sales would slow down as they went from being cultural phenomenons to regular products. Apple staved this off first by introducing larger screens then by boosting Chinese sales to compensate for falling US sales but they finally ran out of tricks. Their attempts to turn India into another China for them failed for regulatory reasons as India's government did not want too much competition for their own domestic smartphone industry, and there are no other big markets for them to expand to.

    The iPhone had a great run ... the longest in history for a product that expensive at that volume and scale. But it is finally over. Apple knew this was coming in advance and it is the reason why they have been pivoting to being a services company for some time. Even though they can make as money that way as before that doesn't excite the stockbrokers as much as selling 100 million iPhones a quarter used to.

    Apple is just my example though, it's virtually the entire market, from tech to heavy industry to services. It's the stock market, not jobs, etc, those generally lag behind the market.

    You gotta know your audience by now. Most people here wont want to admit we're heading for another bad recession and they will definitely get mad for you pinning blame on trump. You're trying to get the forum riled up at this point.

    That wasn't my original intent, but when it seemed there was a subtle shift to Obama bad I was quick to react. No doubt I knew this was possible or even likely though. Also, I use the word ''though'' too often, I usually have to edit most out.

    Yeah the Democrats are the root of all evil posts are predictable. It's best to stay away from online political interactions. Incredibly unproductive and turns into a giant pi ssing match

    Call me nostradamus

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @YaleDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Raiderbeater1 said:
    How bout we don’t sell ourselves out to the Chinese? They are playing the economic warfare long-game.

    I’ll take a recession to get rid of the hold they have on production and our economy.

    No pain no gain.

    That boat has sailed.
    One thing I do agree with Trump on is protecting our intellectual property. I'd be glad to throw some CEOs in prison for sending information developed in America to China. Trump is FOS with his coal wars and pretending we can revert back to a 1960s economy though. If we really cut the cord with China it wouldn't be a recession, it would be a monumental collapse across the developed world. We are dependent on each other. The fact is we are also losing market dominance, the world won't depend as heavily on selling their goods here as the east continues to expand their markets. That will leave us with 2 aces, our way of life and intellectual property. If we can't dominate in tech development and retention, we'll be second rate in 20 years.

    We need to dominate alternative energy production development

    Absolutely we do, and we need to treat all emerging technologies that might be important going forward like Manhattan Projects. Put money into those things that hold the keys to future growth and dominance.

    Who should? The Federal Government?

    Of course.
    Don't be an Ayn Rand parroting idiot your whole life. federal investments in the 50s through the 70s laid the foundation for the tech market that brought us back from under the thumb of The Japanese electronics and auto industries that dominated the world from the late 70s into the 90s. The Chinese dam sure use government money and resources to fuel it's tech economy. If you think there is a world free market, you're clueless.

    You are incapable of having a discussion without insulting people. You should seek help.

    Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

    Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
    Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
    Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
    Exaggerate achievements and talents
    Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
    Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
    Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
    Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
    Take advantage of others to get what they want
    Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
    Be envious of others and believe others envy them
    Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
    Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
    At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

    Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
    Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
    React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
    Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
    Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
    Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
    Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

    Review your posts, stop the BS, anybody can browse through this thread and see what you're about.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:
    Nor will Nancy or that other nutlicker, Chuck Schumer

    A.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    Trump was quick to claim to be the greatest president in history simply by riding Obama's expansion out. Obama took the job market from 10% unemployment down to 4.7%. The decline continued under Trump, it went down .7% and Trump claimed the best job growth in history. It's like somebody else climbed within 500ft of the top of Everest, Trump flew in had Sherpas carry him 500ft, and had a butt boy plant a Trump Summit flag.
    He deserves every bit of fallout for being who he is.

    I'm not going to defend Trump, just posting what I know. The whole time he was running off about the above things you mention I was thinking it was a bad idea. I don't know who I will vote for next time around, but I hope there's an alternative to him and THE COMMIES YOU SUPPORT.

    B.

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