Are recruiting rankings overrated for corners?

DGDinNYC

Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

donm

@bhs11 said:

@WCDawg said:

@WildDawg said:

@YaleDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I like Daniel to start next season over Campbell, if that tells you anything.

I would imagine a juco player would be expected to start or contribute immediately.

Divaad Wilson will start next season...he would have started this season if he hadn't been injured and if you watched him in the Sugar Bowl he already has great technique and is a more physical player than Campbell. Honestly I think Campbell will finish his career at UGA at FS...it's a better fit for his skill set and size.

I think Campbell's best position will be at safety.

I think you are right

Well he’s clearly too tall to ever be a great CB

TNDawg71

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

I like LeCounte, he wants to tackle, but man he isn't big enough to knock you over and his technique is not good

WCDawg

@TNDawg71 said:

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

I like LeCounte, he wants to tackle, but man he isn't big enough to knock you over and his technique is not good

We need to stop a lot of the yards after contact, it is something Kirby talks about and it's something we can all see. I think a lot of it has to do with the new rules, we don't seem to have adapted well yet. Too many missed arm tackles caused by poor positioning.

WildDawg

@TNDawg71 said:

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

I like LeCounte, he wants to tackle, but man he isn't big enough to knock you over and his technique is not good

The issue with the LeCounte is he has the speed and athleticism to be where he's supposed to be so his technique leading up to the tackle has actually improved dramatically. It's his technique at the point of contact. I don't think his size is the issue, I've seen great headhunters that were his size. But yes, his technique at the point of contact is not good. That's where he needs to work in the off-season.

EastAtlDawg

AJ Terrell has been playing good for Clemson of late..

TNDawg71

@WildDawg said:

@TNDawg71 said:

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

I like LeCounte, he wants to tackle, but man he isn't big enough to knock you over and his technique is not good

The issue with the LeCounte is he has the speed and athleticism to be where he's supposed to be so his technique leading up to the tackle has actually improved dramatically. It's his technique at the point of contact. I don't think his size is the issue, I've seen great headhunters that were his size. But yes, his technique at the point of contact is not good. That's where he needs to work in the off-season.

I agree, I only referenced his size because if you tackle at POC like he does you better be powerful.

WildDawg

@TNDawg71 said:

@WildDawg said:

@TNDawg71 said:

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

I like LeCounte, he wants to tackle, but man he isn't big enough to knock you over and his technique is not good

The issue with the LeCounte is he has the speed and athleticism to be where he's supposed to be so his technique leading up to the tackle has actually improved dramatically. It's his technique at the point of contact. I don't think his size is the issue, I've seen great headhunters that were his size. But yes, his technique at the point of contact is not good. That's where he needs to work in the off-season.

I agree, I only referenced his size because if you tackle at POC like he does you better be powerful.

Exactly...his technique seriously looks like a rag doll being thrown at someone. I coached a very good safety that ended up playing at BYU, and he did the same thing early on. It's old habits from rec ball and HS where you're big enough that technique doesn't matter. It's a whole different animal coming up and hitting SEC RBs. He needs to learn to shuffle, get down, and bring his speed from a low center of gravity. It takes time to learn, and some never really do. Hopefully he does.

judasdurant

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

Teddy

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

WCDawg

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

Long legs and high center of gravity are not pluses at CB, I'm perplexed why so many think they are.

Teddy

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

He also mentioned Campbell running with the 1s made him look better than he was. Switching over to Stokes, when Campbell was injured Mizzou game, that lead to Campbell running with the 2s in practice the next week helped show his deficiencies. Agree that I’m surprised it took it coming to that for Kirby to notice. Seems Campbell would’ve been running with the 2s some, to help prep Stokes in his backup role before the Mizzou game.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

He also mentioned Campbell running with the 1s made him look better than he was. Switching over to Stokes, when Campbell was injured Mizzou game, that lead to Campbell running with the 2s in practice the next week helped show his deficiencies. Agree that I’m surprised it took it coming to that for Kirby to notice. Seems Campbell would’ve been running with the 2s some, to help prep Stokes in his backup role before the Mizzou game.

Kirby is human, he saw the length, speed and athleticism.

judasdurant

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

He also mentioned Campbell running with the 1s made him look better than he was. Switching over to Stokes, when Campbell was injured Mizzou game, that lead to Campbell running with the 2s in practice the next week helped show his deficiencies. Agree that I’m surprised it took it coming to that for Kirby to notice. Seems Campbell would’ve been running with the 2s some, to help prep Stokes in his backup role before the Mizzou game.

Kirby is human, he saw the length, speed and athleticism.

Campbell may well end up being a great corner for us, just gonna take some developing. Damien swann was a huge liability until his junior year.