Are recruiting rankings overrated for corners?

EastAtlDawg

AJ Terrell has been playing good for Clemson of late..

TNDawg71

@WildDawg said:

@TNDawg71 said:

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

I like LeCounte, he wants to tackle, but man he isn't big enough to knock you over and his technique is not good

The issue with the LeCounte is he has the speed and athleticism to be where he's supposed to be so his technique leading up to the tackle has actually improved dramatically. It's his technique at the point of contact. I don't think his size is the issue, I've seen great headhunters that were his size. But yes, his technique at the point of contact is not good. That's where he needs to work in the off-season.

I agree, I only referenced his size because if you tackle at POC like he does you better be powerful.

WildDawg

@TNDawg71 said:

@WildDawg said:

@TNDawg71 said:

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

I like LeCounte, he wants to tackle, but man he isn't big enough to knock you over and his technique is not good

The issue with the LeCounte is he has the speed and athleticism to be where he's supposed to be so his technique leading up to the tackle has actually improved dramatically. It's his technique at the point of contact. I don't think his size is the issue, I've seen great headhunters that were his size. But yes, his technique at the point of contact is not good. That's where he needs to work in the off-season.

I agree, I only referenced his size because if you tackle at POC like he does you better be powerful.

Exactly...his technique seriously looks like a rag doll being thrown at someone. I coached a very good safety that ended up playing at BYU, and he did the same thing early on. It's old habits from rec ball and HS where you're big enough that technique doesn't matter. It's a whole different animal coming up and hitting SEC RBs. He needs to learn to shuffle, get down, and bring his speed from a low center of gravity. It takes time to learn, and some never really do. Hopefully he does.

judasdurant

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

Teddy

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

WCDawg

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

Long legs and high center of gravity are not pluses at CB, I'm perplexed why so many think they are.

Teddy

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

He also mentioned Campbell running with the 1s made him look better than he was. Switching over to Stokes, when Campbell was injured Mizzou game, that lead to Campbell running with the 2s in practice the next week helped show his deficiencies. Agree that I’m surprised it took it coming to that for Kirby to notice. Seems Campbell would’ve been running with the 2s some, to help prep Stokes in his backup role before the Mizzou game.

WCDawg

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

He also mentioned Campbell running with the 1s made him look better than he was. Switching over to Stokes, when Campbell was injured Mizzou game, that lead to Campbell running with the 2s in practice the next week helped show his deficiencies. Agree that I’m surprised it took it coming to that for Kirby to notice. Seems Campbell would’ve been running with the 2s some, to help prep Stokes in his backup role before the Mizzou game.

Kirby is human, he saw the length, speed and athleticism.

judasdurant

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

He also mentioned Campbell running with the 1s made him look better than he was. Switching over to Stokes, when Campbell was injured Mizzou game, that lead to Campbell running with the 2s in practice the next week helped show his deficiencies. Agree that I’m surprised it took it coming to that for Kirby to notice. Seems Campbell would’ve been running with the 2s some, to help prep Stokes in his backup role before the Mizzou game.

Kirby is human, he saw the length, speed and athleticism.

Campbell may well end up being a great corner for us, just gonna take some developing. Damien swann was a huge liability until his junior year.

WCDawg

@judasdurant said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@WCDawg said:

@Teddy said:

@judasdurant said:

@Teddy said:

@MIghtydawg said:
None of the 5 star rated corners by rivals planned out in 2015 or 2016 class.
https://n.rivals.com/news/how-five-star-cbs-from-past-four-recruiting-cycles-are-performing

I think corners are the hardest to grade, and a reason you see 3 stars shine and sometimes 5 stars not so much. There’s a lot that goes into that position. And let’s be honest, no one can judge those hip flexors like @WCDawg. He likes young men with quick hips, if you know what I mean

I will say, @wcdawg was right on Campbell. He may be fast, but his ability to play man to man and turn and run with receivers is still up for debate

He did better this past game I think. Way too early to judge Campbell, he’s nowhere close to a finished product.

Kirby at best got too infatuated with Campbell's measurables.
That seems to be true in general at CB, maybe it helps explain why so many experts get it wrong.

He also mentioned Campbell running with the 1s made him look better than he was. Switching over to Stokes, when Campbell was injured Mizzou game, that lead to Campbell running with the 2s in practice the next week helped show his deficiencies. Agree that I’m surprised it took it coming to that for Kirby to notice. Seems Campbell would’ve been running with the 2s some, to help prep Stokes in his backup role before the Mizzou game.

Kirby is human, he saw the length, speed and athleticism.

Campbell may well end up being a great corner for us, just gonna take some developing. Damien swann was a huge liability until his junior year.

Maybe, I love his potential as a safety though.

benjaminwgregg

@DGDinNYC said:
Here's my ideal Secondary next year
SS- Read
FS- Campbell
CB- Wilson
CB- Daniel
NB- Stokes
Star- Reece

I'm not on the trash LeCounte train but I think he needs to add size and work on tackling to regain the starting spot.

Imo I think Reese beats out a position changed TC3 for one of the safety spots, maube richie too.

Wilson is 200 lbs so I really hope he sticks at star/nickel. Stokes has made a bunch of plays on the ball this year I'd keep him as a starting corner imo