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The Braves fired their pithing coach after having the 7th lowest ERA in MLB in 2018...

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  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2019

    Sorry, but I'm telling the truth about all of that. There's plenty of chatter about how the defensive shifts were much better under the AA front office compared to Coppy and about how they made many tweaks to how the pitchers pitched, and you casuals don't see any of that. Chuck Hernandez is an absolutely te**ible pitching coach and if it weren't for the hand holding by the AA front office, they probably still put up the same ERA from 2017.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    You're giving your opinion, that is not factual truth.

    I'm reminded of those who insisted Mike Bobo was a bad OC even after we had 3 straight record setting offenses.

    At some point you should give credit where it's due.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2019

    I may not feel like pulling it up right now, but it was stated FACT that the AA front office changed the defensive shifting SIGNIFICANTLY compared to the Coppolella front office and tweaked how just about everyone pitched.

    Bobo was a good OC, I was never one that said he was bad. But I'm very firm in this stance. Chuck Hernandez was te**ible and was a big mistake as a hire.

    In fact, if Chuck Hernandez, your golden boy was so good, then why did he not get scooped up immediately as a pitching coach? As nobody did. He's just a bullpen coach now.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    There was an error rendering this rich post.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Okay, fine, I am going to pull one up:

    It was not standard shifting at all. It was a VERY significant change from the way the Braves did it in the past. Significant enough to say that it likely impacted pitcher's ERAs because it turned Markakis from a poor defender into a good defender again.

    Combine that with I've seen AA talk a LOT about how the analytics staff helps the pitchers fine tune to their strengths, and I'm extremely firmly entrenched in the analytics staff had much more to do with the Braves success than a te**ible pitching coach that should have never been hired and was not scooped up by anyone as a pitching coach.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 2019

    I thought this would be a good point to open this back up. It was a head scratcher when the change was made, now it looks like a possible disaster. When you have a very young staff that was responding very well to coaching, PLUS you had the 7th lowest ERA in all of MLB, why change to a guy who has had mixed results at best ?

    If this was just some petty personality conflict, somebody needs to grow the hell up.

  • swilkerson73swilkerson73 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Georgia girl won that argument in a landslide.

  • swilkerson73swilkerson73 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    It was a head scratcher when the change was made, now it looks like a possible disaster.

    How in the world can you say that after two games ? Two ? Really ?

    Its all about the analytics these days in baseball. You are either on board or you are going to be left very very far behind. The Braves have been very slow to embrace the analytical approach to the game but hopefully that is changing.

  • volatilisvolatilis Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Certainly off to a rocky start. Hope it just the injuries and not what you are hinting to. They sure walk a lot of batters.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 2019

    volatilis. Injuries have been a problem with this pitching coach in the past. Methods matter. Leo Mazone knew exactly how he wanted to work pitchers and he had very few injuries on his staffs.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Especially with the "soft" throwers like Maddux and Glavine. Harder throwers like Smoltzie and Avery, a little more injury prone.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 2019

    A pitching coach that everyone wanted to be fired before the new FO came in and brought something that was beyond standard shifting and started fine tuning how everyone pitched?

    Big yawn. Hernandez was going to get fired before 2018 but the only reason why he wasn't was because of the Coppy scandal. He was more lucky than good in 2018, as I said several times in this thread and he absolutely WAS NOT FIRED because of a petty personality conflict. He was fired for being bad, PERIOD. END OF STORY.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    In fact, I'll go ahead and say it here.

    I'm 100% sure Folty does not break out last year if he doesn't almost eliminate his sinker usage, and that had JACK DIDDLY SQUAT to do with the pitching coach, and EVERYTHING to do with the front office helping him.

    How does Hernandez look then if he hypothetically stays (which he would not have if the Coppy scandal didn't happen) and Folty does not break out? Sure looks much worse then which is why last year he was more a right place, right time guy instead of ACTUALLY BEING GOOD.

    Younger guys like Wilson and potentially Wright might be a more fundamental problem with pitching development in the minors, it might be out of date.

  • coastaldawgcoastaldawg Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I’ve thought for a while now that our pitching development in the minors was lacking, keep hearing about all the young talented pitchers but none have really broken out at the major league level yet. With our sheer number of pitching prospects, someone should have emerged by now.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Folty has really been the only breakout so far, as I also said here and it really only happened because of the FO change after a couple years of being meh. If he wasn't told to diminish his usage of his bad sinker and up the usage of his great slider, he likely doesn't break out, then what?

    Fried has teased, but it's only really begun with him tinkering with adding a new pitch or two, and that also didn't start until the new FO. Touki has also teased, but is probably a BP guy if his command doesn't improve.

    Soroka is pretty safe outside of the shoulder woes, if he gets on the mound, he'll be what he'll be, which at the most is probably a Tim Hudson like #2.

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