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Is Zion Williamson too heavy for the physical forces he generates ?..

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    RPM. it's a distortion of science.

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    razzierazzie Posts: 32 ✭ Freshman

    Yeah. Unless you are playing OL or DT, 285 lbs is way too big for anyone under 7 feet and he is 6'7". I remember Anthony Mason was considered massive at that same height but only 250 lbs but was nowhere near as explosive or quick ... he could barely get off the ground when he jumped. Duke is the worst program for him to lose that weight because they are infamous for not emphasizing strength training and building muscle. He will need NBA weight training program to get down to a more ideal 245 lbs. while still retaining his core strength.

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    donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Still can't quote, but the formula for force includes acceleration. Heavier might mean more force but acceleration might be less with a much larger body. I'm not sure if more mass would be cancelled out by less acceleration or how that would work. It seems logical there is some point at which too much mass would tip the scales negatively in performance. OTOH the original question was if his size and force generation puts too much stress on his joints. I don't think there is much argument he generates a lot of force.

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    razzierazzie Posts: 32 ✭ Freshman

    F=m*a. So the same acceleration with a bigger mass means more force. Especially since mass isn't just weight. It is density. So a 6'7" guy who weighs 285 lbs is more dense than a 7 footer with the same weight. So to preserve the bones and joints in his feet, ankles, knees, hips and possibly back the kid will need to lose weight.

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    JTMoyniJTMoyni Posts: 76 ✭✭✭ Junior

    It's not reasoning, it's a fact. Force = Mass times Acceleration.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Donm - think of a NASCAR set up for the steep banks at Daytona. Now take that set up with the same tires and add 1000lb of sand to the car. I'd bet a $1000.00 to a penny everything from suspension to tires would wear our far quicker. Plus, Williamson isn't an inanimate object, parts can't just be changed out. Once the damage is done, it's a long road back and eventually you don't come back.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    JTMoyni - You're acting as if it's a one and done contest, it's more of an ultra marathon and WEAR is the critical factor your simple view ignores.

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    donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    130 lb cross country runners also get wear and tear on their joints...of course this could be apples to peanuts.

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    JTMoyniJTMoyni Posts: 76 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I think you're trying to say he is too big due to the stress it places on his body. I'm simply stating that the physical "force" he generates is mathematically related to his "mass" and not independent of it due to force equalling mass times acceleration.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2019

    JTMoyni. I'm not just TRYING to say the weight combined with the extraordinary force he generates puts a lot of stress on his body, it's the entire premise of the OP.

    Also..speed + strength + focus = power.

    That comes from my martial arts days. A slow moving log is strong, a well placed fast moving bullet is powerful.

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    BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yet there isn't an equation to calculate the impact all of that has on his ligaments and tendons. After a day of discussion, I agree that less weight is probably better but we can't say that any of these assumptions apply to the body of Zion Williamson.

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    RPMdawgRPMdawg Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Its evident that his shoes cant handle the physical forces he generates. I think he should wear Skechers

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    JTMoyniJTMoyni Posts: 76 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Weight aka mass cannot be combined with force because force equals mass times acceleration. Your point defies the laws of physics. I have said this all day.

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    YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    In physics weight and mass are different. Mass is the amount of matter an object has while weight is the amount of force gravity exerts on an object.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    TJMoyni - how much mass does a 45 cal. bullet have compared to an iron skillet ?

    You're sort of off in egg head land with this formula thingy.

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    RPMdawgRPMdawg Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2019

    Zion has some unknown mass (m)

    He accelerates at some unknown (a)

    He runs into a brick wall exerting some computable force on it (f)

    The science "stands up"

    Zion does not. Tendons and ligaments, and broken bones

    Both sides of the debate win?

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    JoelSidneyKellyJoelSidneyKelly Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2019
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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    JSK. Thanks, your experiment confirms my theory.

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    GrayDawgGrayDawg Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The fact that Zion can do what he does on the basketball court at his height and weight is what makes him a unique prospect. If he is able to keep it up for even 10 years he will have penned his name in NBA history. If he trims down to a more "normal" size, he potentially loses the mismatch factor and regresses towards the mean. Which means less fortune and fame. Every NBA player degrades over their career due to wear and tear. Obviously, some faster than others. If it's me, I'm trying to make the most of the gifts I have while I have them. If that means trimming down some, so be it. I would, however, be very skeptical of saving the tread on my tires at the expense of winning the race. He can adapt as he loses certain abilities, but if he makes a name for himself now, teams will be more inclined to keep around when he's washed up.

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