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    kelly_bkelly_b Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I had hope for Swanson. Never faith. If he doesn't produce then the solution is simple. Camargo, bench and shop Swanson. It's just business.

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    TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    SS has been weak position offensively across the league right now. Dansby was actually 1.3 oWAR last year with a really poor OPS. Overall his WAR was 2.7 which is much better than his season felt like.

    I know WAR can be controversial, but it does give a reasonable comparison across the league of players.

    It is a little interesting that a guy like Camargo doesn't necessarily have a starting spot right now with his 3.7 WAR. That's higher than Joey Votto had last year.

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    donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Dansby has shown me enough glimpses of offensive talent to keep running him out there for a minute. If he can hit just a little more he'll be a worthwhile guy in the lineup. It can be a better BA, or slash lines or whatever metric - as long as he is in the top half of shortstops, I'd be happy. His defense is pretty good.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Swanson will have to be considerably better to justify not giving the job to Camargo IF Camargo can play the position well enough defensively.

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    TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    He looked lost the second half last year. His stance, his approach, his knowledge of the strike zone. He looked stiff legged and trying to swat at it the entire month of August.

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    GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Hate to break the bad news, but Swanson has the SS job locked up unless he reverts back to what he was in 2017 with no bat AND errors. If he keeps playing good defense and hits the occasional HR, he'll be set it and forget it at the 8th spot.

    Yes, that means you're putting a likely better hitter on the bench for the majority of the season. No, that does not mean Camargo isn't going to get plenty of at bats, they're planning on more rest for everybody, AA will probably have to pull the strings, but Camargo is going to get 450-500 PAs, IMHO.

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    TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Camargo's fielding percentage at SS is pretty comparable to Swanson's, and Camargo clearly has the better bat at this point.

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    GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Can't just look at fielding percentage. It doesn't matter if you don't have the best of ranges.

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    TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Camargo trumps Dansby in most categories outside of range and fielding percentage, while Camargo has the better arm, which could save runs Dansby might not. Carmargo was also a SS his entire career up until recent, so it's at least his natural position. Camargo might cause the Braves to give up a few more runs with his fielding, but he’ll bat in a lot more than Dansby would save in the field. Camargo has a better OBP, BA, SLG%, HRs, doubles, strikeouts less, more RBIs, much higher WAR, etc. etc.

    With that said, Dansby will probably start due to baseball managers sticking with the incumbent starter more so than any other sport, until that person completely fails.

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    YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2019

    Remember when we gave up MVP talent andrelton simmons for Erick Aybar, chris Ellis, and cash? Good times

    Edit: we also got newcomb but still not worth it

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    TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Or trading 5 minor league prospects to rent Tex for a couple months? Those players that went to the Rangers played in back to back World Series.

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    YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,112 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Trading Simmons was a terrible move, it looked bad then, it looks even worse now. Giving away the best defensive player in baseball while he's still in his early 20s will usually turn out poorly.

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