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Hawks might have won the trade

dawgitimafandawgitimafan Posts: 324 ✭✭✭ Junior

Starting to come around on Trae Young, there are only a handful of guys in the league who look like it takes no effort to score, curry,Durant, and harden, he's not close to in there league but when he gets going it's effortless. Amazing how much more efficient he has gotten, I was begging him to shoot last night which I didn't know I'd ever do. Pundits thought he'd wear down in an NBA season, looks to me like he's bigger and stronger than ever.

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  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    If they get the value out of the other pick, they definitely can be major winners in the trade.

  • ihateusernamesihateusernames Posts: 154 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Triga Trae, Trae-T-L, Ice Trae, has been the best rookie in the NBA since Christmas, and if he finishes the last 25 games of the season this hot he should win rookie of the year over Donici.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Young's ability to drive to the basket was very underrated coming out of college. He is already among the best PGs in The NBA at getting to the basket and finishing. If they get good value from the Dallas pick this summer, they'll have made a good deal.

  • dawgitimafandawgitimafan Posts: 324 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Yep and his passing is already better than Curry's IMO, curry was and is to a lesser degree a turnover machine in his early days.

  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 4,193 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    If they build around him like GS and Steph, Hawks won the trade. Need a two way wing, a utility big man, and another pure scorer.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Doncic will be the ROTY, and he deserves it.

    It's closer than it was a month ago though.

    Here is a comparison over the last 10 games and the season to date.

    Doncic

    Last 10 games averages - Pts 24.1, assist 7.4 rebounds 9.3

    Season to date averages - pts 20.9, assist 5.7 rebounds 7.2

    Young

    Last 10 games averages - Pts 21.6, assist 9.2 rebounds 4.0

    Season to date averages - Pts 17.5, assists 7.7, rebounds 3.3

    Both are playing at all star levels, but Doncic is slightly better. Also, don't let Trae's shooting last night fool you, he is still chucking too many bricks. He is actually shooting slightly worse over the past 10 games than his season average. In fact games like last night will probably just encourage him to keep chucking from the moon and slow his development. He HAS TO become a better percentage shooter to get to be a championship level PG.

  • dawgitimafandawgitimafan Posts: 324 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Sure but if you look at the month by month in general Trae is trending up, shooting 42 percent from three this month. Also nobody is talking about him and he will be a bonafide star in two more years, all I hear about is doncic and de-aaron Fox who's in his second year and Trae's stats are actually better than his, albeit SLIGHTLY less efficient. Time to board this Trae train.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm happy with Trae. He may end up being as good or better than Doncic, but he has to be more consistent in his shooting.

    While Young did get better percentage wise for awhile, he's reverted back to bad habits over the past 10 games where he's shooting .406 overall. He hit a good rhythm last night, but if he keeps throwing up 30ft shots, he will not hit an acceptable percentage overall.

  • dawgitimafandawgitimafan Posts: 324 ✭✭✭ Junior

    He will take better ones and make more of those as he gets older, if he can't take and make those his value decreases due to his size and what that opens up for drives and his teammates, he was getting double teamed 35 ft out last night. I feel he might put the Hawks on the map similar to what Vick did for the falcons, minus the felonies of course.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I don't see Trae as needing to be as good as Doncic to win the trade. He just needs to be at least in the discussion as an All Star and we need the pick to pan out. The core of this team could be really strong year after next.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ Junior
    edited February 26

    It might not make one lick of sense, but I think Young is simply better from a bit deeper than the normal 3 point line. I'm not pulling the exact numbers although off of my memory, the statistics do back up the eyes, but he shoots a low line drive and for a while his shot was a bit slow, and while I burned most of the early part of the early parts of the season from my head, I remember him bricking all of the 3 point shots that were closer to the line. One of the adjustments he's made has seemingly been to choose to usually take 25-27 foot shots (to back this up even on a set play for 3 he was at least 4-5 feet beyond the 3 point line). Last night he was shooting much quicker than he was before to add to it.

    He hasn't been as efficient as late, but his 3 point shot even if you toss last night has been fine in the last 10 games before last night. He's having more trouble finishing, which is fixable with growth. It's weird, he's either had his floater going or his shot going, normally not both.

  • CTDawgCTDawg Posts: 423 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Bazemore doesn't count as a two-way wing? Lol

  • sauceddawgsauceddawg Posts: 212 ✭✭✭ Junior

    No brakes on the Trigga Train! Very impressed by him in all honesty tho JC looks even better. Weve won way to many games now though no shot at Zion. We should have committed harder to the tank

  • ChicagoDawgChicagoDawg Posts: 228 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Trae is showing a lot of improvement offensively. I think he is going to be a good player but he does have a ways to go. He has a quick release on his shot which he needs because his launch point is low. His range is outstanding. His judgement when to take the 3 is better but still needs improvement. He seems to be holding up well under the strain of the season, which is a good sign for someone as slightly built and young as he is. He still sometimes forces his way to the basket and runs out of space, but he is learning.

    The Hawks D is lacking as a team and Trae is one reason for that. He also turns the ball over to often, but that is not surprising for a young point guard. He does make some pretty amazing passes.

    I have been very impressed with the potential of of Kevin Huerter. Excellent handle for a guy his size. Good Shooter. Could stand to bulk up a little to add an inside element to his game and rebound stronger. He also needs to improve on Defense.

    Doncic is already an outstanding NBA player. The trade looked terrible the first couple months of the season, but if the Hawks get another strong player with the draft pick it may turn out pretty well for both teams.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Chicago. Young's range is TOO far. He does not have the mechanics to hit at a high percentage from so far out. He has 2 weaknesses right now, he is extremely streaky on jump shots and he turns the ball over too much.

    A strong coach would make him stop chucking from 30 ft out

  • ChicagoDawgChicagoDawg Posts: 228 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Agree from an offensive perspective. He is very weak defensively right now. It may be Coach does not want to put too much on Trae's shoulders at this point, but his effort on that end of the floor needs to pick up. I don't see him as a guy who is ever going to make the All-Defense team, but we need him to become average by the time this team is able to compete for a playoff spot in a couple years..

  • texdawgtexdawg Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Mav fans absolutely love Doncic. And we are obviously used to falling in love with the Euro player. But Young is also looking good and should be a great player.

    The biggest advantage that Doncic has is size. And he's becoming a triple double machine.

    Even if the Hawks get a great player with the Mavs pick - Dallas fans are very happy with the trade.

    Could turn out to be a win/win trade for both sides. Nothing wrong with that.

    Now, if the Mavs continue to slide like they have since their last two trades, and end up with a top 5 pick - then it really speeds up the rebuild for the Mavs.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    texdawg I'm good with Dallas being pleased with Doncic, they should be. This looks like a trade where both sides will get great value.

  • texdawgtexdawg Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I agree. And Young would have been very popular in Dallas - especially with 1/3 of OU graduates living in DFW.

  • PeachCoDawgPeachCoDawg Posts: 399 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited February 26

    Doncic can ball, no doubt. I think he'll hit a ceiling though that Trae can end up surpassing. Except grabbing boards maybe

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ Junior
    edited February 26

    Based off the eye test and stats I currently can't find you actually have it reversed. I remember Young bricking just about every close to the three point line jumpers early in and although I can't find it at this moment, I remember reading over at another forum that said he hits 40% of his threes from deeper than 23-25. Strange? Sure, but it's been what he is.

    Like I said earlier this afternoon, it hasn't been his shooting that has been a problem lately. He's not going to be an elite three point shooter, I'll be surprised if he ever shoots more than 40% from three, he's more likely to settle in at around 37/38%. It's been his finishing that has been. It's weird but he's rarely had both the overall inside game and jump shot working all season even when he's played well.

  • TMazz2009TMazz2009 Posts: 310 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Trae has gotten better since the beginning of the season. His improvement has been greater than Doncic (yes Doncic is a better player but Trae has closed the gap so to speak). That said I have went from pretty pessimistic on the trade to having my eye brows perked up.

    The big thing for the Hawks is getting that guy to sell seats. Not sure Trae is that guy but building a championship caliber roster around him will do the trick. Winning cures all....I can see a valuable free agent actually liking his spot in Atlanta now with Trae and Collins.

    After the first 2 weeks of the season, I had dreams of Barrett or Zion. They have played their way out of those two more than likely so now it is back to the free agent market.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I fear the 8th seed purgatory we might find ourselves in again

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    GeorgiaGirl. Trae has shot .406 over his last 10 games, that is slightly lower than his season average to date. He went through a stretch where his shooting improved, but he's shot poorly of late.

    I'd have to see stats on his 3 pt range accuracy, but it's my perception that he throws a ton of bricks from deep.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    dawgteamfan. Mike Vick didn't get The Falcons to The Super Bowl. I'm not sure how he put the team on the map other than the publicity he garnered from torturing and killing dogs.

    Also to answer another poster. We don't need a player who gets publicity, we need components who can produce for a championship team.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ Junior
    edited February 27

    Trae's split of late is 41.1% FG/43.9% 3PT/81.3% FT.

    Even if you trash the 8-12 game, it's at 40.8% FG/40.5% 3PT over the last ten, just going back 1. By the way, it's easy to look up percentages, just use basketball reference.

    The 3 point shot isn't the issue here of late even if the overall FG is low, I don't really think he's an actual sharpshooter and think he'll settle in at about the 38% 3PT mark so he's actually at a higher mark than I really think he can do. It's Trae is inconsistent inside that is.

  • dawgitimafandawgitimafan Posts: 324 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Well when I say put them on the map I mean create some buzz, nobody talks about the Hawks right now, nobody talked about the falcons until Vick swaggered in, your memory is failing if you don't think he put the falcons on the map, he was the Michael Jordan of football for a few years there, nobody had saw anything like him. Exciting times that surely could have ended in a Superbowl had Vick ever started studying film and not fought dogs. Sad.

  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 290 ✭✭✭ Junior

    So Young shoots 38% from 3 from 28+ feet and 28.5% from closer. Doesn't make one lick of sense but that's been what he's been. I bet if you filtered out from 23-25 it'd get even more ridiculous.

  • dawgitimafandawgitimafan Posts: 324 ✭✭✭ Junior

    He's balling again!

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