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Comparing rookie seasons Trae to Chris Paul, Doncic to Larry Bird....

WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

Both are really close.

Comparative rookie seasons.

Bird's Effective FG% - .494 Doncic effective FG% - .497

Bird's PPG - 21.3 Doncic's PPG 21.3

Bird's rebounds per game - 10.4 Doncic's rebounds per game - 7.7

Bird's assists per game - 4.5 Doncic's assists per game - 5.9

Birds FT% - .836 Doncic's FT% - .711

Paul's effective FG% - .456 Trae's effective FG% .482

Paul's PPG - 16.1 Trae's PPG - 19.0

Paul's rebounds per game - 5.1 Trae's rebounds per game - 3.7

Paul's assists per game - 7.8 Trae's assists per game 8.1

Paul's FT% - .847 Trae's FT% .828

I'd say the comparisons are close in both cases.


  • KaseyKasey Posts: 16,765 mod

    Hawks could've had Paul too...still crazy they took Marvin Williams in that spot

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2019

    You know with all of his shortcomings Marvin Williams has managed to carve out a long career to date. The guy has been very successful in the earnings department.

    Marvin is in his 13th season, his career earnings on player contracts through this season, right at 108 million.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 16,765 mod

    That's great if the Hawks picked him at 22, at 2 he needs to be a perennial all-star/or at least a starter

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The Hawks were all about amassing “long” players with that GM. Never forget old what’s his name.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    True, and the scouting reports were there at the time on Williams. People felt like his athleticism just wasn't there. They definitely needed a PG at that time and Paul of Derron Williams would have been excellent picks.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Here is The Draft Express opinion of Marvin Williams before the 2005 draft. ''Marvin Williams is going to be a promising forward in The NBA, most likely top 5 and possibly even the 1st pick taken. He was national freshman of the year at UNC. Chris Paul was 1st team AA at Wake though, both were highly regarded.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2019

    The #2 pick in each of the past 10 drafts.

    Marvin Bagley

    Lonzo Ball

    Brandon Ingram

    D'Angelo Russell

    Jabari Parker

    Victor Oladipo

    Michael Kidd Gilchrist

    Derrick Williams

    Evan Turner

    Hashem Thabeat

    A few who were passed over.

    Steph Curry

    James Harden

    Paul George



    It's like a stock you wish you'd bought, everybody has a story.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2019

    True, not all #2 picks are bad, but many have left better players on the board, including some all time greats.

  • AnotherDawgAnotherDawg Posts: 6,286 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    On the contrary WC, I was confirming your point that there is a history of dubious #2 picks in the NBA.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 16,765 mod

    I get it. He had promise. But I had seen it with Chris Paul (and Deron Williams) and Marvin didn't even start for that UNC team. The Hawks needed a PG and they passed on 2. One an all-timer and the other very good.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    If you didn't like the pick at the time, ok. It's not like there was a consensus Williams was over-drafted though, that is revisionist history.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    AnotherDawg, my wording was probably not very good, I wasn't suggesting you disagreed with my prior post.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    TND. Most prospects, maybe every prospect has things evaluators don't like. Doncic might not be quick enough, Trae might be too small and frail to hold up night in night out and forget driving to the basket like he did at Oklahoma.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 16,765 mod

    I vividly remember watching that draft. Me and my friend both thought it was silly. He is an Orlando Magic Tricks fan, so he was a little salty they drafted Fran Vazquez. They really didn't get much out of him

  • EricDawgs1EricDawgs1 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Cant compare todays stats to the 80s or 90s.game is way diff than back then.bad teams are getring 110 pts a game.plus Bird was a champ in yr 2 i believe the hawks or mavs aren't close to that.if you lije defense then the NBA is unwatchable atm

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Eric. You may not have noticed but we're back in a very high scoring period in The NBA. It's actually very similar to the pre Bad Boys years where everybody was running. It's not exactly the same of course, the 3 is king now, but the results are close to apples to apples.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    A quick check of The NBA in Bird's rookie season.

    1980/1981 . Best defense opponents' PPG - Philly - 103.8

    Worst defense Denver - 122.3

    2018/2019 . Best defense opponents' PPG - Indiana - 104.3

    Worst defense Atlanta - 119.2

    Just 4 year ago the best defenses gave up low 90s, it's jumped by 10 pts in the blink of an eye. Those great Detroit defenses in the late 80s and early 90s changed the game for close to 30 years, it's a shame we're back to playground ball.

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