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I wouldn’t call them big names yet, I mean Gardner didn’t do much until he got to Wazzou. He was gonna be a backup at Bama before Leach got him. Daniel Jones also was coached by David Cutcliffe who like Leach is a “guru”. I’m not saying the school is bad I’m not saying it’s not elite just saying there’s questions when it comes to Jake Fromm.
I’d like to see him work with Whitfield but that’s just me.
I had always heard Tom House was the top QB guru. At least in terms of mechanics. Current or former clients include Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan. But he's based in California so maybe it's not feasible. Or maybe he only works with pros.
There’s a lot of good ones out there. Shea Crouse and Whitfield to my knowledge. But that’s about the extent of my qb coach names. As far as private anyway.
Edit: Nevermind, no context to that rumor.
If that was the case bobo would be here by now and someone would know he was on campus. I seen the same rumor on 24/7 and it’s just that. Or maybe I’m wrong we’ll see
IMO, good OCs take what they have and find a way to be successful. This talk of Fromm and Coley being oil and water tells me that both are limited. Both should be on trial. I'm confused why some are quick to defend Coley, who has yet to prove anything, and slow to defend Fromm who has proven much. Fromm isn't a do everything quarterback, we know that for a fact. He has been utilized successfully in the past, though. I get that we are short on weapons, which amplifies Fromm's shortcomings. Yet, we are trying to do things Fromm clearly struggles with, why? It feels like Coley has compounded the problem, not made the most of the situation. As OC that falls on him. He can't make Fromm into something he's not.
If you are bringing Bobo in as co-OC/QB coach/playcaller, I don't see anyway Coley stays because you have just publicly stripped him of all power and authority so you wouldn't have to worry about finding a spot on the staff. Honestly, I wouldn't be super geeked at bringing Bobo in as an analyst...I think there are better, more innovative minds out there that could help modernize our offense than him and if you are looking to use the analyst position as a way to groom and nurture a future OC candidate (like Johnson was) I would it be a more forward looking than a nostalgia play like Bobo. It also think it is notable that that all the places he is being connected with are more a product of his strong personal relationship with the HCs (Muschamp and Smart...Pruitt (analyst)) and his likability as a person (see this heavily in the UGA beat) than a reflection of the esteem in which his offenses are held.
Clearly this is directed at me without you calling me out. If there are 5-10 plays every game that have guys “wide open” that are missed reads or throws, doesn't that indicate that Coley has “proven” something? Is that not an indicator play calling is working? I cant understand why this is so difficult for some to understand. Be critical of Coley for botching personnel during the first half of the season, not helping WRs that struggle with press get open by scheme, and failing to get our RBs off tackle where they are much more impactful. If you’re critical of Coley after the second bye week, you’re mind is made up and thats fine too; misguided but fine. Since week 1 people on this board have been calling for his head, simply because we don’t have a sexy offense, but when have we ever? All our FL kids are directly attached to him. Where would this team be without the kids from FL...the dude has “proven” his value to the team in both play calling and recruiting.
Players not plays right? You say do things to make Fromm successful, Coley has scrapped at least 20% of his play book to do just that. Watch any spread concept offense; how many zone reads do you see? RPOs? Deep shots? QB scrambles when the play breaks down? We don't call them because he isn’t efficient enough in running them. We’re calling intermediate routes where Fromm excels in his accuracy previous years. Is that not the definition of tailoring the offense to meet the skill set of a player? Now if the player isn’t accurate this season at doing things he’s supposedly elite at, not sure how you handle that. Fromm has “proven” he can be an elite game manager. There are 3 games that come to mind. We won 2/3. However, its becoming more apparent, for anyone paying attention, NFL talent masked a lot of things the first two years...former teammates have thrown shade but no one wanted to pay attention to that.
What I’m realizing is that is impossible for me to make this point without pulling the curtain back on what Fromm is, which comes off as tearing him down, but im not the one who placed him on a pedestal to begin with. If it wasn’t an unrealistic narrative created in the first place, not many would have a problem with what im saying today. I’d wager most outside of UGA probably agree with everything im saying. I feel like i’ve been fair. That said, the other poster was right, im defending Coley too much.
So ill say this is closing and ill leave the topic alone because I do support Fromm; i want him to be successful. Ive stated since the summer this is his team now and we’ll go as far as he takes us. As expected, we’re 11-1 headed into the SECCG. My prediction was that we’d be 14-1 national champions at the start of the season. Fromm is due to make his signature run, and I know he's capable. The law of averages indicates that a run is coming, because he is much better than what we've seen this season. Im not sure how to help him this season, but i don’t get paid a million dollars to figure that out. Im confident that Coley will dial up something that will put him in a position to be successful and we’ll execute.
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Great debate @SoFL_Dawg and @GrayDawg I enjoyed reading. Hopefully the two of them figure it out and hang 40 on LSU tomorrow.
On Bobo , I read where he reached a settlement with CSU , and also more rumor he may go to SC as OC
His settlement is offset by whatever he earns at new job - so he’s going to earn the same amount no matter what. If you’re Bobo , it seems like you could find a better spot than OC for a coach on the hot seat. Maybe I just don’t like SC.
True, but on the other side of that coin, reasons FOR going to sinking SC ship would be:
-A way to ease back into the SEC, he's been gone for 5 years. He should test his health too.
- If they fail, it doesn't look like his fault, and unless USC wins 10 games next year, Muschamp is probably gone anyway.
- On a lesser note, fans gave Bobo a lot of grief while he was at Georgia, not sure if he wants that outside noise coupled with his health issues. Not to say SC fans aren't vocal, but expectations are lower and they wouldn't be on his case after his first sub-30 point game.
@SoFL_Dawg I wasn't trying to come at you I just wanted to have a debat, though I can see it coming across that way... my bad.
I get what you're saying about Coley scrapping some of the playbook. I get that there are a lot of things Fromm needs to work on. I just don't see how Fromm can look so terrible lately when he has generally looked so good. On top of that, the areas of strength on offense, like the line and running backs, have fallen off from the past two years as well. Maybe this is expected in a transition year, but why transition when we don't have the personnel in place? Especially when we have a championship calibur defense.
I hope Coley figures it out, because at the end of the day he's got to get production from his players. I don't think he has two years to wait for another QB if the offense doesn't pick it up. He's gotta make something work with the guys we have.
Word is Bobo is in Columbia and has an offer on the table for OC, this from a fomer USC jr. Player that I know who is close to the program......
That’s interesting, I don’t see you as the type to post something unsubstantiated either. If that’s the case I hope there’s some kind of change on the offensive side of the ball to help the offense.
Known him for years that is what he told me a few hours ago, he has been right on most things but not all things within the Carolina program........it being Bobo thought I would post it here.....
Absolutely! We’ll see if he’s right, I’m thinking he probably is.
I keep hearing this take all year. How did Bama’s evolution help them? How have the past 2 seasons panned out as opposed to the years prior. How has OU’s offense worked out for them? How many playoff wins do they have? I get it that we want more out of our offense than we got this year but I think it is totally false to think that quick strike offense takes us to the next level.
It gave them 1 natty as the second half when they switched to Tua was foreshadowing to their RPO offense that came in 2018 and 2019. I don't remember all the details, but there was a guy that said he went back to rewatch that half, and they ran a lot of RPO with Tua coming in.
Personally I think Saban's coaching choices costed him the title vs Clemson in 2018. He's seen Kirby threatening him on the trail, so he beefed up his recruiting through the coaches and it worked but bit him in game when it was closer to an even match, and probably could have even before that game (the missed FG crushed Georgia mentally on the sidelines last year). Then this year, several injuries just screwed them over. I think they've peaked, but with Saban's prowess, you won't be able to count him out until he's retired.
Bobo is in Columbia apparently...
https://247sports.com/college/south-carolina/board/44/Contents/bobo-is-here-139950808/