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They never said that but we know that's never stopped you before.
Not sure how economic shutdown causes more pneumonia deaths.
You were saying?...
Heart disease kills way more people than pneumonia. I'm sure you understand the causal link with stress?
I'm not saying more or less, but people have and will continue to die as result of the non-viral impact of the covid.
Dr. Timothy Russell, a mathematical epidemiologist who has been picking apart the Covid19 numbers since the infamous Diamond Princess cruise line, has extensively explored the question of "how can we estimate how many people have been exposed and never even knew it?" His research suggests that the April/ May multiplier would have been much higher than 10x and that the number of exposed Americans is approaching 10%. The significance of his ongoing research is that, if accurate, the spread rate is higher than we realized, a VAST majority of people who contract the virus have no idea (which is probably why the spread rate is high), and the IFR is around 0.1%. This has been independently corroborated by others including a recently published study from Wake Forest.
There are some good arguments on both sides of this.... long run deaths increase, but short term deaths drop during a recession. Policy responses post-recession could play a role in decreasing/increasing long run deaths.
This article cites a pretty good range of research on deaths and economic downturns:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00210-0
Two different looks. You might say that's kind of a micro-macro thing. One looked at long-term while the other explored more " acute toxicity" during the actual downturns.
I find it interesting that the planet tends to even out deaths, even when there are natural disasters. Look at the time period immediately after the Indonesian Tsunami.
What you're saying correlates directly to the controversial article I posted the other day. To rehash, the author suggested decision makers are primarily focusing on the # of confirmed cases, rather than # of hospitalizations, # admitted to ICU and mortality rate. In his opinion, based on the last three measurements it's more prudent to take a targeted approach to containment versus a one size fits all blanket.
I encourage everyone to read how Japan contained C-19. It was a successful targeted approach, loaded with common sense and adherence by a vigilant population.
So you lie about the effectiveness of wearing a mask so hospital workers will be able to get masks because of the influx of patients coming in to hospitals because they aren't wearing masks.? Since if everyone wears masks now the virus will go away, maybe they should have told everyone to wear masks back then and the hospitals wouldn't have been full so the workers won't run out of masks.
" An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth."
Make sure to have a spray bottle with you at all times, so you can dampen your face mask. "Meh science, meh science, meh science!"
I saw an article today saying there could be 30% more fatalities from COVID due to lack of testing but they never mention that the survivability rate could be that much higher if not higher as well.
My info isn’t based off of “reading something” in regards to young patients. I’m going off direct info from workers there.
That doesn't change the fact you are talking about statistical outliers. It happens with influenza, too. Sometimes 18 year olds wind up in the hospital with pneumonia because of allergies to pollen. Florida doesn't give out as much info as Georgia, but the number of 18-21 year olds who have died in Georgia is ZERO.
Clearly cases are rising......
Is it true......when you factor in all ages.... if someone gets Covid 19.... chances of surviving are 97.5%......give or take a little?
But under 50 the odds of surviving are probably closer to 99.9%?
No one wants loss of life. No one.
Simple question.......is it worth saving a few thousand lives but possibly/likely destroying 10s of millions of lives?
That's essentially what we are talking about. Regardless of what everyone's different research says......isn't really that simple?
The only saving grace is that pretty much every country in the World is also destroying their citizens lives. Except for N Korea. Their people are still pretty much status quo.
The problem is that it's not that simple. 97.5% seems like a really good survival rate, but there are a ton of people in this country.
To reach a point where the virus will start to go away on its own, best case scenario is 50% of the population needs to be infected. That would be 164,000,000 x .025 = 4.1 million deaths.
Now hopefully the death rate is lower than 2.5% (I think most are pretty sure it is), but my point is that when you're making decisions for 330,000,000 people you can't just rely on common sense. That doesn't mean you have to shut everything down, but it does mean we need a plan.
I was saying how you post things without understanding them. This is yet another example.
Here are links so people can go read the articles for themselves.
Yep.....and all these protesters and liberals......not suggesting anyone on Dawgnation.....love all you guys
But those concerned about the wealthy having too much..... and want to share the wealth.....
Keep people from going to work.... or going to games.... restaurants......bars...
Then you'll see a huge redistribution of wealth....but it will be more to the wealthy....
Wealthy can purchase foreclosed or under valued properties. Buy good businesses that are going under.... tons of opportunities for the super wealthy when people are unemployed.
Put your head down, wear a mask, contribute to society, and stay home if you are sick.
Interesting that you didn't quote the part directly under that.
"But the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”
A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.
Another study looked at coronavirus deaths across 198 countries and found that those with cultural norms or government policies favoring mask-wearing had lower death rates.
Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive."
You keep relying on those straw man arguments.