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  • SupraSupra Posts: 109 ✭✭✭ Junior

    This. Because no matter how you feel/felt about the shutdowns, if it gets as bad as it was at the beginning of the outbreak we’re going to get shut down again.

    Hope we’ve taken the right steps to prepare and opened at the right times to keep this from happening.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2020

    Alas I fear that ship has sailed. The right move would have been to require the wearing of masks while outside. This has been the case in virtually every European country that eased restrictions and even the WH requires them for everyone except one! That tells me that they are felt to be effective by the administration! This would have also benefited the demand side of the economy as more would feel comfortable to go out.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    CDC is now saying the disease is not spread through surfaces - just person to person contact. So, the 100 million wipes I have used in my home and office were for naught. Yet, the mask thing is obviously right because, well, they say so...

    Cluster$+&@.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    They said it doesn't spread easily via surfaces not that it doesn't at all. It's not really that surprising.

  • AnotherDawgAnotherDawg Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2020

    It's not surprising, but it is contrary to what we've been told up until now. I think that's Cane's point. When it comes to science and medicine, consensus opinion is always just a best guess based on the information collected so far. Nothing wrong with that, just important to remember.

  • CaliforniaDawgCaliforniaDawg Posts: 674 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    We know Covid19 is airborne. So paranoia about surfaces is all about protecting about the very unlikely event that an airborne molecule sits on a hard surface and then jumps to to the air and we breathe it in.

    And since it is ariborne, two people wearing masks is key if one person has it. The double barrier prevents 95% of airborne molecules from being breathed in and out. So, if two people are wearing masks, statistically, we could spread 5% of the molecules with Covid19 if we or someone else had it and we would receive 5% of the molecules if only we wear a mask in an attempt to protect ourselves but someone else isn't wearing a mask who has it even though they may not realize it yet or at all.

    Bottom line, wash your hands, wear a mask, social distance and open businesses. Win-win with a little bit of annoyance. Isn't a bit of annoyance worth American lives and American livelihood?

  • AnotherDawgAnotherDawg Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    "Bottom line, wash your hands, wear a mask, social distance and open businesses."

    Boy, wouldn't it be nice to see Schumer/Pelosi and Trump/Pence stand before the American people and make this announcement together, as one.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2020

    I think the confusion comes from the reports that it could live for long periods of time on surfaces and people took that to mean it was easily spread from surfaces. I think most people thought that though which is very reasonable.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 29,715 mod

    The state governors would still find a way to mess it up. When in doubt, vote it out

  • AnotherDawgAnotherDawg Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2020

    I'm sure you're right. At the same time, I'm thankful we live in a country with sovereign states who have at least some freedom to operate independently from the federal government. So you have, e.g., NY, CA, and MI on the one hand, and GA, FL, TX on the other. Lots of other states in between. It allows different approaches to problem solving, spurs innovation, and the people are always free to move wherever they like. (Or, as you said, vote for change.)

  • flemingislanddawgflemingislanddawg Posts: 620 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The issue is this lockdown is hurting the healthcare industry as well. If there is a "second wave", worst than the first, they are going to be short handed.

  • flemingislanddawgflemingislanddawg Posts: 620 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I don't think you meant to say "airborne" in the true sense of airborne transmission, which it definitely is not. It is by droplet. If it was airborne social distancing would not help meaning the virus could live in the air for long periods of time. Even the CDC originally said that only the infected ones need to wear a mask. So I assume there are those that are sticking to that.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2020

    My whole point is not to feed into the "mask vs. no mask" argument. I makes common sense to wear a mask for the wearer to keep from spreading more so than the wearer to keep from getting it. I never understood why the powers that be told us not to wear them early on. That HAS to be one of the biggest mistakes we made. "No mask = spreads on surfaces and by touch" in my mind, and therefore I wiped the finish off most of the hard surfaces where I lived for a month. I didn't ask questions - I just reacted to what I was told. I am an idiot.

    My point is that we have heard SO MUCH CRAP coming from people (media, pundits, scientists) who wanted to sound like they knew what they are talking about that affected how we lived, dictated policy, led to legislation, etc. that really was just weak speculation about what may or may not be truth.

    So many people were looking to get on TV to sound important and intelligent with their "studies" and theories, and so many talking heads on television spewed this stuff to all of us because we were looking for any information and anything to believe. They wanted ratings and eyes on them, and they got them, with disregard for truth and the soundness of what they were saying.

    Clickbait on websites and graphics on television that don't lie to us, but they really mislead.

    And now most people trust NO ONE. Not a scientist. Not a politician. Not a show host. NO ONE, and they are going to live by their own experience and education.

    It's reminds me of the debate in the 90's about the definition of the word "is," if anyone remembers that testimony from a famous politician. It may not be a lie, but it ain't the truth. Not knocking that cat, he could play the game and would probably be playing chess right now while most leaders are playing (Chinese?) checkers. (was that too soon? over the top? offensive?... I can't tell right now...).

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2020

    The reason (maybe, what do I know...) people are not buying in to the mask issue is that they feel like they have been mislead SO MANY TIMES already about this crisis. 

    There is a significant chance that if we had just started washing our hands, wearing masks, reconfigured mass gatherings, and just stood a little bit farther away from each other, we would have accomplished what we accomplished without all the unemployment and bankruptcy.

    Instead, we followed the lead of a communist country and several socialist countries on how to act - that seems odd and is actually impossible  - and expected it to not to rock us economically and socially.  We were terrified by a few (Western) countries with older populations that live on top of each other and kiss each other every time they meet, and we seemed shocked that the most populated area in our country was the one that needed just about ALL OUR RESOURCES and instead we spread them out all over out of fear, without noticing that 90% of America is completely unique and nothing like these places.

    So - second outbreak?  China has 10 million people locked in their house in a northern province, with the military going around taking temperatures and kidnapping those with a fever and removing them to "isolation."  How many of those people will never be seen again?  Would you put it past China to cap those cats and throw them in a ditch in order to save losing face over another outbreak?   I have been there several times, and I wouldn't. I walked Tiananmen square in 2000 and saw sections of concrete that were different colors than others. It had to be replaced because they couldn't get all the blood off. That massacre, by the way, never happened according to their government.

    So - second outbreak? How are we gonna react? Not like them. And we will have more disease and death because of it. But we will be better this time, with better testing, and our lifestyle will continue to return to what makes us great - our freedom.

    I hope more and more people wear masks to save other peoples lives. But I also hope more and more people buy electric cars to save my kids and grandkids lives. And I hope more and more people eat better, and have access to preventative medicine, and I hope the tobacco industry ceases to exist. But I also know that this is America, and if somebody wants to drive a smoky SUV, eat hot dogs every day, never go to the doctor, and smoke 5 packs a day, they can.

  • SupraSupra Posts: 109 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I think it's a completely reasonable goal to be better prepared, wash our hands more, wear masks, and social distance in order to prevent a second wave that's bad enough to shut us down again.

    But here's the kicker... as much as we might not like government, this is not something individual Americans can stop on their own. We need govt resources, especially when it comes to the best tool we've got to stop outbreaks early.... testing.

    Which is why you can be angry at the media, the govt, political parties, etc. but at the end of the day it's on us to make it clear to both political parties that we expect govt. to do its job and control the virus well enough to prevent another shutdown.

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