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COVID-19 Check-in
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Mark,
Yes, we spend $2K more per person than Switzerland and on average 200% more than the average industrialized nation. Here's a great (non-political) article on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3
And it is criminal that a hospital gets $50 net for a service they charge $500 for, the example you gave.
If I can, our costs are driven by legal malpractice ridiculousness, overcharging pharmaeutical companies, higher levels of obesity compared other industrialized nations and private insurance companies who pay executives millions for screwing everyone else. There - I think I just covered the whole political spectrum, does it count as nonpolitical if I list the points from both sides? :) At the end of the day, we do best (welfare reform under Clinton, the 1990 Clean Air Act under Bush I) when we listen to each other and work together. This schism in our country is as **** as your average Vol fan.
Back to Covid19, I just lost a $300,000 sale because the buyer lost two relatives over the past few weeks to Covid19. Worse, he lost his father and his aunt and his world has turned upside down.
Free roll of TP with every pizza you order....I just ordered 24 pizzas. You can freeze pizza right???
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Came across these graphs earlier today from the HHS ppt deck...Not looking to make a case that continued vigilance and reasonable non-therapeutic isolation measures aren't important, but certainly a striking visual/reminder that the United States shouldn't be viewed monolithically when we debate how much longer we should wait before we consider opening things up again in certain parts of the country:
Sorry if not super-clear (I took a screenshot on my phone), but the red line in the 2nd graph is cumulative cases for NYC metro specifically.
Understanding that there's a case to be made for more testing results in higher cases (NYC has completed 2x as many tests as the 2nd place state (Florida), but looking at these stats one can reasonably make a case that continued steps to shelter in place, etc. in NYC/northern NJ is required until cases continue to go down to a reasonable level. Either way - it's certainly reasonable to consider a shift back to normalcy in some parts of the country before lifting restrictions in NYC.
You are correct but with widespread testing and contact tracing the person that infected the store may have been tested and isolated before having given it to you. So you could but the chances should be greatly reduced if done properly.
PS Have you seen Carson play in person?
I have seen Carson in person his Junior year. Good friend of ours son was a kicker at Atlantic Coast High School and they played Mandarin High the first game that season and they invited us to watch their son. The game was on ESPN and all the talk was how Carson was going to Alabama. I just remember him as being a tough kid smart with his throws and new when to tuck it and run.
Thanks and stay safe. I am on day 33 of staying in here in Fernandina.
Just a little perspective on why it takes a long time to get the test kits mass produced. Its not as simple as just ordering a company to start mass producing them. In today's highly specialized and efficient businesses the factories are only set up to produce one part of the whole and do so at a high rate. To suddenly expect them to be able to switch to something completely different and expect immediate results is naive at best. You have to identify a new mold in order to create the product. You then have to test to see if the equipment can crank out the new mold as it may have to change a little in a small way that would require changes in other parts of the line. This may continue for a long time to get it right. The new process would then need to be tested and cleared through the safety regulations to make sure lawsuits and union contracts are being accounted for. Now you have to train the employees on the new process once its finally cleared. This is a huge financial impact on the company as they would have to account for loss of their regular business for a crisis response of unknown duration. Add to this that this is a novel virus that we continue to learn new things about. The directive on day one may have changed 100 times by today as each day brings a new update which would then cause the whole process to restart. Also you have to do this in social distancing environment.
I'm not writing this in support or against the current administration in office. Its just the realities of trying to manage things on a large scale. There's so many little details that a simple sounding solution of just order the companies to start doing this doesn't take into account the realities of actually producing the product. I'm sure most of you have heard the saying its like trying to change to course of an aircraft carrier but the realities of leading the US as a whole is like trying to change continental drift. There's going to be some friction and some quakes and nothing is going to happen fast. There's just too much to do with a billion small parts that all have to be moved in a new direction, often kicking and screaming against their will. It really doesn't matter which admin was in power for this. Every single one of them would be having major problems with this. All we can do is make sure we are doing our small part of what we are asked to do. You may not agree with the decisions that have been made but that doesn't change the fact the decision was made and this is the way we are going to handle this. There is no correct answer to this problem. If we do social distancing and it works it will look like an overreaction. If we end it and it doesn't get worse we will never know if we shouldn't have done social distancing to begin with. If we end it and it gets worse we can say yeah we should have extended it but then we won't know what would have happened if we had extended social distancing rules. It could have led to a very different outcome. Arguing about this is pointless. You've been asked to play a small part in this and its up to you to do your part. That's all you can control in this crisis so control what you can and that's Go Dawgs and save your hate for the gators.
It was inconvenient and probably somewhat difficult to overhaul the American economy during WWII, but by the end of 1943, two-thirds of the economy had been converted to war production. FDR established agencies and programs to direct these efforts. One could make the argument that the incredible collaboration between government and private corporations like Ford and General Electric turned the war.
There was and still is a tremendous amount of civic pride in the war effort, which epitomized the golden ideals of American selflessness, determination, and buy-in to a larger cause. Civilian engagement in the war effort is as big a part of American folklore as George Washington and Betsy Ross. If we are indeed the greatest country in the world, we can rise to this challenge.
Facts are that we goofed around and downplayed the threat for 6 critical weeks, and it will require leadership and federal investment into a common goal to get this done.
Interesting read on what physicians are seeing in severe cases. Highlights how much we don't know about the virus.
It was interesting, thanks for sharing. As you say, we don't know a whole lot yet. Good data is required before good decisions can be made and a clear path can reveal itself. Strange times.
Crazy read - and again shows how much we really don't know yet (and may not know for a while).
A PE ain't no joke (I have been through that - thanks to a knee surgery), and they can turn a docile situation into critical almost immediately.
Comparing COVID-19 to WWII seems a little much, no? In WWII we knew what our enemy was, we knew we had to crank out war machines, and we won by shear force. None of that applies to COVID-19. Hell, we don't even know what exactly it is we are fighting, and while it is certainly deserving of our attention and focus it isn't even close to being on the scale of a world war. Every major model has dialed back their projections. Not to say there isn't a significant threat posed by the virus, just that it isn't proving to be the worst-case scenario in those models. As more data becomes available, better plans of action will evolve, and more "buy-in" will come. It is perfectly reasonable for manufacturers to be hesitant about converting their factories to mask making based on the shaky information available at this time. Americans aren't sheep (not most of us anyway). We need to be reasoned with. We need not be told masks don't help one week and told everyone should be wearing a mask the next. That shitt doesn't inspire confidence and it doesn't deserve "buy-in." Once a clear path to beating this thing reveal's itself, I have no doubt our country will rise to the occasion.
Bro, we've had a clear idea of what steps need to be undertaken to handle this thing for a long time now. This conversation is about testing, not masks, and the consensus from nearly every health expert, including some vocal members of the coronavirus task force, is that we must have ample and robust testing before we can get back to normal. We cannot afford for manufacturers to be hesitant. We already punted away February.
As for the scale of this compared to WWII, I agree with you. This isn't global war. But nobody is asking America to convert its economy to wartime production. We aren't asking all of the women to work in the factories because the men are in Germany and North Africa. We need to find companies who can produce materials, and find companies that can scale their production of testing materials to hit the kind of testing benchmarks being discussed. None of this is unreasonable. The broader point being made by some folks on here is that difficulty in getting something done should not mean we complain about how hard it is.
We have had a clear idea of what steps need to be undertaken to handle this thing for a long time now? Really? A clear idea?
Seems like we are learning something different everyday.
Who punted away February? There were certainly "experts" advising on this thing ......but in reality.....what did they really know? How accurate have all the models turned out to be? They change weekly and sometimes daily based on new information.
And who is complaining how hard this is?
I find it difficult to make statements about how this should have been done....and what mistakes are being made and have been made.
As far as I know.....everyone on Dawgnation is just offering opinions based on what media sources they choose to listen to.
Seems to me the response of the American people and the government.....for the most part....has been exceptional.
Seems unrealistic to expect no mistakes on something that has never ever occured before. Especially considering all the false data that our "experts" were dealing with the first few weeks.
@CaliforniaDawg wrote a novel on the response timeline several pages back so I won't rehash that. @CTDawg is talking about testing. For any viral outbreak testing is key to containing it, and we have lagged on that.