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That's a fair question and I agree 100%. That is another example of something sold in a crisis. What's worse, it was supposed to be temporary (IIRC) but it is clearly not going anywhere.
Govt's been in crisis mode since 2001. Just one thing after another. I think this is the new normal.
True. Watch how quickly a storm turns into an emergency with green lighted government spending. It is lazy politics. They do it because it's easier to get away with and taboo to question it. It's political teflon. When re-election comes around crisis policy decisions don't stick. Huge checks are written, nobody follows up on how the money was spent, how effective the spending was in helping people, etc. Ultimately, the rich get richer every time we have a crisis.
I don't agree with the California governor closing the beaches. I've been to California and there's almost always a healthy breeze, thanks to the Alaskan Current as I recall it.
I guess we need more testing to know what effect wind/air mixing has on the spread of germs. I know what we all witnessed in Florida with crowding and no spacing in many cases. But surely, public service messages could inform the public how to distance for individuals/groups wanting to go to the beach. Maintain 6 feet if that's what required, but closing the beach? No.
Post script: More correctly, the cold water current is called the California current. And windy conditions are more likely the result of Santa Ana winds originating from the Great Basin during the months of October-March, and unrelated to the California current.
I think you guys are correct. I havent seen governors wearing masks though most do encourage and demonstrate social distancing
To the argument that mandating mask wearing is a violation of freedoms and liberties, what about seatbelts? Wearing a seatbelt usually only affects me, so shouldn't I be allowed to decide whether or not to wear one? Is it an infringement upon my civil liberty to receive a fine for driving without wearing one?
Here are two governors wearing masks. Polis in Colorado and DeWine in Ohio
Illegal drugs also fall under this. Why should there be laws that prevent an individual from taking drugs in their home? As long as they don't infringe on anyone else's rights why should the government compel them to not use drugs?
Insurance companies got that done.$$$$$ Same with helmets for motorcycles. Not saying either is a bad idea.
The CDC actually studied why so many people were dying from car crashes in the 80's and recommended the mandated use of seat belts. I think the US went from 11% of people wearing them to mid 80-90% after that
And some people argue that it shouldn't be a law for that reason. I wear a seatbelt, but I'm not sure I want the nanny state telling me I have to or they'll fine me.
I don't think people should text and drive at all. But... I think talking on the phone and driving is fine. I can do that and I don't feel I am anymore distracted than normal. But they've passed a law saying i can't now. I feel like they should of kept it to texting only.
The forever ebb and flow of public safety vs public freedom.
I think the biggest problem people really have with more govt is that it just doesn't seem to stop. They can't pass a small law and keep it at that. They have to tack on more to it, and then a little more, and then a little more. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. That's why folks get upset when they see even more get added. Especially some of us more... eh hum, more experienced citizens. Because we've seen the changes over time. The things that would "never happen" in America 20 years ago suddenly are happening very rapidly. It's not a change is always bad kind of thing. It's more of a "I promise I won't cross this line"... ok, now "I promise I won't cross this line".... ok, for real the line this time... etc.
Never have liked "victimless crimes". To me, no behavior that doesn't endanger others should be illegal. That said, easy to make the case that not taking reasonable measures to avoid passing along a contagious disease is a public health issue and is endangering others.
But that's the thing; not wearing a mask is certainly not a victimless crime. If I have the virus, wearing a mask can prevent the spread to another person. This is where the line, to me at least, gets crossed: at what point do my civil liberties infringe on somebody else? If I'm positive for COVID-19 and don't wear a mask, the risks are high that people I come into contact with will get it too. Others have the right to public health and safety, just like I do.
lol Think that's what I said. Maybe my phrasing was bad.
in that case do masks become a law permanently in public, because of other airborne illnesses that take lives annually...like the normal flu does? this is the slope folks are referring to...
No you're good I know what you mean lol
Slippery slope arguments are fallacious. Judgement should be made on the merits of the case. For example, some prominent politicians claimed legalizing gay marriage would inevitably lead to the legalization of polygamy, bestiality, and even pedophilia. In retrospect this is obviously ridiculous, but these were real concerns for a not so small amount of people at the time.
No one wants a permanent mask law. Its unnecessary and haven't seen any politician suggest it.
"Its unnecessary and haven't seen any politician suggest it."
.... yet