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70% over what time period? If 70% of that age group got the flu over one season you would have the same numbers.
You’re right. But it’s not possible for 70% of the population to get the flu all at once due to pre-existing immunity.
With Covid, we have no immunity and can get it all at once. That’s what makes it serious.
Fact - this thing sucks. And, under certain conditions, it can be devestating. Under certain conditions, it can simmer below the surface and just be spooky. It almost caused NYC to collapse. It hasn't caused the disruptions in most of my state. It almost sunk greater Albany (GA).
Most places have escaped it's worst-case wrath (again, people are still dying here), but it can rear it's **** head anywhere.
It's viral Russian roulette. Every community wants to get back to normal. To do so, you have to spin the revolver and take a shot. Your probably gonna be fine. But, it may blow up on you. If you never spin it, you eventually starve, go bankrupt, and collapse economically.
Both options suc.k.
Completely agree with this... it's a really hard decision. But do not agree at all with @WayxGaDawg that taking the virus seriously is CNN propaganda. That's pure politics.
The good news is that in the last month or two, there have been signs that treatment options are coming down the tracks. Hopefully in another month or two this game of russian roulette will be a little less scary
In order for NYC to reach immunity via Herd on a population of 8.4 million requires around 80k deaths of which 20k will occur in those under 65. Using this data, the US population of 325 million will achieve immunity (Herd) after the death of 3.1 million of which 750k+ will be under 65.
As one nurse put it "You're worried about having a party while tens of thousands can't have a funeral".
Somebody smarter than me answer this:
Shouldn't we see a HUGE drip right now in any communicable disease? I would think colds, flu, "stomach bugs," any viral disease or the like should be really eliminated by what we are doing.
Am I wrong, my medical dawg minds?
Wayx, its a two way street. Liberals should verify anything they read on liberal media sources and conservatives should verify everything they read on conservative media sources.
Try to bridge the divide that scars our nation not add to the fire. Many on here come from different perspectives but show respect and that is important. We can disagree without calling each other names or dismissing each other or accusing those we disagree with of having ill intent.
And back to Covid19, I'm a broken drum as im going to again say why cant we take Covid19 and the economy seriously? Why cant we hope our economy roars back and all wear masks to protect each other and each other's families?
I've started wearing a mask recently in grocery stores.
Personally, I think it has zero effect on anything. I don't think it protects me in any meaningful way, and I don't think it protects anyone else either. In fact, I think it's rather silly.
I've reached this conclusion based on my own (extensive) research, along with input from friends who work at the CDC, friends who are doctors, and friends who work in government at the local, state, and federal level.
So why do I wear one? I do this out of respect for my fellow citizens, setting aside my own beliefs or preferences. Purely as a courtesy to those who feel stress or fear in the presence of the unmasked.
Hopefully we can get back to normal fairly soon. I doubt it though. Not because of the virus, but because of politics.
70% of that age group won't get Covid19 either
NY and CA announcing sports without fans is a positive development. Hopefully this is one step closer to back to normal life
The problem here is you're only stating the pros. Shut down, save lives, the end.
What you aren't telling is the economic collapse that would ensue. The poverty, the starvation, the suicide, the increased violent crime.... Frankly I'm surprised at how quick things devolved as it is. I thought we would a little more resilient and hearty. Makes you realize just how close to chaos we are.
Close to chaos? There's are places in this country that are no closer to "chaos" than they were a few months ago. Again, I haven't witnessed much devolving, as long as I am not watching TV. We have been fortunate, and are thankful.
That's a separate side of the coin. He was saying that taking the virus seriously and continuing the shutdowns is buying into propaganda.
I don't think anyone anywhere is arguing that we should stay shut down forever. I really want to open back up. But what I don't want is to open back up a month early, a bunch of people die, and then we shut down again.
These costs you mentioned are absolutely real, but a lot of them are charged up front. The damage from an economic shutdown is huge... the difference in damage between an economic shutdown of 3 months vs 4 months is smaller... the damage from 2 economic shutdowns because we opened back up too early is scary.
But hopefully we get a vaccine by the end of 2020 and we can look back on these reopening decisions as a whole lot of nothing.
Politicians know that if the virus claims too many lives they will be blamed unless extreme caution is exercised. They also know that if the economy tanks the blame will be directed at the virus, not the politicians. So we get ultra-conservative political decision-making relative to the negative effects caused by the virus and almost no regard for the economy. Moral of the story, politicians have no morals.
Honestly their paychecks should go to out of work Americans until full opening happens. The country would open up today
Who knows what should be done. I think people are showing them that it's time to reopen by their actions. Did you see the full bars in Wisconsin after the state supreme court overruled the governor? People are sick of being shut in. They want things back to normal.
Side note, can you make "new normal" a phrase that gets censored on this site? If I read or hear that one more time...
Day late but not sure if anyone caught this article in the NY Post this weekend...I had heard of the Hong Kong flu but didn't really know when it occurred (late 60s) or how deadly it was (coronavirus that killed an estimated 1-4 million (H3N2) people worldwide). I was struck that we've heard/read a lot about comparisons to Spanish flu in early 20th century but not as much about a similar pandemic that occurred more recently in our collective living history.
Attempt isn't to necessarily compare the virus itself to C19, but rather society's response to it. Understanding access to global travel has made the world more susceptible to global pandemics in general vs 50 years ago, but some striking highlights:
There's a few phrases/words I could see less of...unprecedented, stimulus, new unemployment claims, social distancing, politicized pandemic, and other assorted phrases.
I never thought I'd be excited about the idea of two old senile white dudes arguing with each other about how they want to ruin the country more. But I am.
A lot like COVID Twitter these days...
Went to the grocery store today to do a shop for the lady I help with in assisted living. Many things plentiful including meats, can goods, bread etc. Even had TP and paper towels in stock and plentiful. Things are a changing.
Also got a haircut for the first time since November. The "salons" opened up last week and the lady that cuts my hair started back and I jumped on it. I was getting a little shaggy and if you really want a mental visual, picture this dude totally grey, shorter salt and pepper goatee, with a Tito's and OJ instead...
Life Was Good Today!!