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  • PerroGrandePerroGrande Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2020

    I wasn't implying that you were saying all clear. I was just pointing out that while I'm optimistic, the game is far from over. I think the biggest positive is that most countries/states that have been hit with the virus hard have raged for a month or two and then the virus has receded--regardless of mitigation. Covid does seem to be much deadlier in winter. But, the amount of immunity doesn't justify the drops, so there is a lot more to learn. Some people think the virus is getting weaker. Some think that the population might have some immunity based on exposure to previous coronaviruses. Some think the infection rate is much higher than stated. Some think it is seasonal. But, if FL, AZ, TX, and CA start dropping it could be a good sign. We'll see.

  • pocoyopocoyo Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
  • ChambuloChambulo Posts: 64 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I agree, there is so much unknown. It makes it very frustrating.

    My parents both tested positive for Covid-19 a couple weeks ago. It took a full week to get the results in Washington state. In their case it wasnt a big deal because they were clearly sick and did end up testing positive, but for someone waiting on test results in order to be cleared to go back to work or stop self isolation, that is far too long.

    Anyway, my parents are in their 60s and have other health issues that would make them higher risk. They ended up being sick for about 2.5 weeks. Worse than a typical flu but not bad enough to go to the hospital. Thankfully they are okay and out of the woods now. My dad went back to work this week and my mom goes back tomorrow.

    When the doctor cleared my mom to return to work he told her that she should be good for the next 6 months. He said beyond that there just isn't enough data to know. I havent seen or read anything about a 6 month immunity period after infection. Has anyone else heard of this? Seemed very odd to me.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 7,163 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The virus hasn't been around long enough to know how long immunity will last. All we know right now is it seems like people aren't getting re-infected yet.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2020

    I never said that you were celebrating. I was trying to comply with the rules of engagement. The politicians who are touting that theory are the same ones that are doing nothing in Florida. If it weren't for local rules the situation would be much worse but to improve by the amount needed the Federal and State Government need to take control. If you thought I was directing the comment to you I assure you that was not my intent.

    With regard to Arizona I will reiterate what I keep saying. That is at a point in time only the infections and deaths (if properly and timely reported) are absolute. Everything else is a function of testing. If testing is increased, Cases increase but positivity rates and CFR decline. Conversely if testing is reduced cases decline but positivity rates increase and the CFR increase. In the case of Arizona since 7/24 the testing has increased by almost 30% and as expected the positivity rate has declined. However, the cases have not increased indicating that the decline in positivity is due to reduced spread as well as increased testing.

    The point is that Arizona, if I recall correctly, took some statewide steps early July that has caused the improvement. The reduced spread is a result of the actions not due to the "virus fairy". I do find it strange that you appear to be more motivated to wear a mask due to the improvement of late rather than the mounting cases and future death toll that was happening.

    My hope is that everyone stops listening to the extremes on both sides and we and more importantly those responsible for everyone's well being take action BEFORE others get to be like Arizona was and Florida is!

    I am sure Kirby and Lanning don't rely on the defense to self motivate exclusively! Go Dawgs.

  • JayDogJayDog Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2020

    That guidance was on my state site.

    “A disposable face shield would suffice in lieu of a mask. Employers may approve masks obtained or made by employees in accordance with guidance on homemade masks found on the Department of Health’s website.”

    And it is better than nothing. If a person is having problems breathing in a mask, I rather see him behind a shield than not wearing anything. I wear one when speaking and after a hour you can see the dried spray on the inside surface.

    Here is an interesting video showing visually the effect of masks on transmission:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ4Epf8i1uk&t=454s

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Is it safe to assume that those that advocate that the 50% of the population who are at risk stay at home would rather the 1% that can't wear mask do likewise to benefit the economy?

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I’ll play. Define “at risk.”

    I’m going with a lot lower percentage than 50%.

    85% of deaths are people over age 65, who represent 13% of the nations population.

    If you haven’t already, perhaps read the stuff CDC cited in their mask wearing guidance. A lot of the evidence truly is anecdotal.

    California has now been under a statewide mask mandate since June 18. On that date, California had 167,000 cases. Today they have over 500,000.

    Gosh, if only Brian Kemp would issue a mask mandate 🤷‍♂️

    National polls are showing 70% of Americans say they wear masks. A top health official in Cali just said that if 80% would wear them, that transmission could be cut by 50-60%. A 10% increase in compliance would cut cases in half? I’ll need someone else to do the math on that one. Seems a bit overstated.

  • JayDogJayDog Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Risk categories include people with hypertension. How many people in this country have it? Diabetes? Lung disease? Circulation disorders? These are just a few that increase risk. The risk goes beyond age categories. That is a much larger number than 13%.

    Before anyone tries to argue age is the primary risk and risk is minimal to everyone else—please provide statistics on how many people with co-morbidities have voluntarily stayed on lockdown vs how many of them acted like normal? What differences in behavior may have affected death rate for other risk categories?

  • JayDogJayDog Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I was just talking to a good friend of mine who is of the opinion that if we don’t let this virus run it’s course, it will never be over. A certain percentage of the population is going to die—just like they do from the flu, or other illnesses.

    I finally said to him, “When you talk this way, as if this is just about statistics, I pray the statistic won’t one day be your wife or daughter.” He replied, “ if they are going to die it’s best they do it—to decrease the surface population.” At least, that’s what I hear when people make that argument.

  • OdinOdin Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    ****. It's just common sense. Respect others, wear the mask. If you don't, you are the problem. Get within 6 feet of me not wearing a mask and see what happens.Facts.

  • flemingislanddawgflemingislanddawg Posts: 597 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    My son was positive and was tested at a Dr.'s office in Orange Park Florida. He was told to come back for a re-test but when he went back he was told and given a letter that said if you have been symptoms free for so many days there was no reason for a re-test. So not sure there are many resources being used for re-tests


  • flemingislanddawgflemingislanddawg Posts: 597 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Manufactured death rates and also possibly manufactured positive case numbers as well.

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