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Now that NIL has consumed the collegiate level…

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    DawginSCDawginSC Posts: 792 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I disagree, simply because I always think players (in every sport) deserve the bulk of the earnings generated off their play.

    UGA (and every other big school) have football programs that generate a TON of money for the school. Arguing players shouldn't get any because of "the purity of the game" or some other BS just seems like an excuse to screw the players over to me.

    In the NFL, players basically are entitled by contract a 48% share of the revenue (this is what sets the salary cap number each year). I have no issue with CFB players getting a fair share of the income football generates based on their labor.

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    KaseyKasey Posts: 28,889 mod

    Who says? If the market is there for them to receive it who are you to say they aren’t allowed to earn it comrade?

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    SWDawg68SWDawg68 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    As of right now, there isn't cap on any type spending, other than self-imposed by the institution itself.

    @Teddy , you used the wrong verb, you said, "a small % CAN enter the facility wars and hire top notch"...It should say.... only a small % WANT to enter it or are willing to enter it!

    It is a big deal for a school enter in the "Arms Race", look at the dumbarses at Flurdah! They finally agreed to do it but begrudgingly! They are considered a Top Tier program.

    The NIL will be met with more regulations and there will be programs that will find ways around it and a year down the road we will complain about what it has turned into.

    Why are programs not trying to self-regulate, if the money is most important? Or is it the perception of WANTING to appear to be WILLING to pay the huge money to be able to win, BUT having regulations the reason why they can't and yes even at the athlete level, but I don't know the answer to any of @Kasey questions.

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    DawgwiredDawgwired Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2022

    These high school players haven't generated anything. You could let the top 300 go pro and uga would still make a lot of money. And those top 300 wouldn’t make jack because that would be their worth in a pro market. Maybe we should set up a draft with the Division 1 schools and see how that goes too. Give them a scholarship give them some money maybe true NIL type stuff but not unlimited. In a true open pro market they aren’t worth anything right now. They are banking off the brand that’s already there, an arbitrary recruiting ranking and FOMO boosters

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    KaseyKasey Posts: 28,889 mod

    Clearly they are worth something. If they weren’t worth it they wouldn’t get it. But here they are getting it. So your argument doesn’t hold water.

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    SWDawg68SWDawg68 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Not true, any of it!

    IT would collapse a 7 billion dollar market, no one wants to do that!

    Wait a minute, Is that what you want?

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    DawgwiredDawgwired Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    You compared them to young pro golfers. Those guys earned their way on the pro tour by winning and beating other pros. Let these guys go pro and earn all they want and or can. Let’s see what their worth really is. You and I both know it’s not much at 18 years old. Do away with the 3 year rule and let them get paid all of their worth. Not some boosters trying to buy rankings and a program.

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    RxDawgRxDawg Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2022

    Oh the players were very much compensated. You just think they weren't compensated enough.

    And in the NFL the only compensation is money. It might be the same sport, but it's an apples and oranges comparison. But it appears that gap is closing...

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    DawgwiredDawgwired Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Collapse what? Most of the top 300 would end up going to school because they would not get paid or even drafted in a pro market. That’s the way to fix it. Allow anyone to go pro anytime and earn all you want.

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    OldSchoolPupOldSchoolPup Posts: 265 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    ^ and that's a genuine question. Not being a smart aleck. How much has NIL impacted women's sports and the non-revenue men's sports?

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    RxDawgRxDawg Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    When NIL first came out, some good looking female athletes were making some big money. Any adult female can sell themselves online (another debate for another time). Add in the notoriety of being a successful athlete, and yeah they cashed in. I have no idea how it compares right now though.

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    KaseyKasey Posts: 28,889 mod

    No.

    there’s levels to this. None of these kids are making a pro salary in the same way. Much like there aren’t any phenom golfers making Tiger Woods money.

    but they can make an amount through sponsorships that is equitable to their skill level. Not sure why you’re so mad about that or not seeing it.

    some kids could go pro now and make millions. Most kids are good enough to get some NIL deals and help themselves and their families.

    the more you keep arguing against it the more pollyanna-ish you sound at best, communist/socialist at worst.

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    KaseyKasey Posts: 28,889 mod

    Compensated from like boosters you mean? Or only scholarship and room and board? Might wanna check the history on that one bud.

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    HemingweyHemingwey Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2022

    I believe the real problem is what I think of as “faux NIL”—such as boosters pooling money to create NIL payouts to buy recruits—as opposed to players making money off of consumer market driven sales of apparel, autographs, etc. and economics-driven spokesman revenues from advertisers.

    There seem to be many strawman arguments being advanced on all sides—such as the hypothetical G league stuff. I don’t tend toward either/any extreme in this debate.

    Ultimately, I believe it is fair and appropriate for players to make money from their name recognition. However, hopefully, minds greater than mine can devise a set of rules and structures that prevent practices which pervert the system—such as undue manipulation by wealthy boosters and booster groups.

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    DawgwiredDawgwired Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    It’s funny how you like to end with personal jabs. I can promise you I am more Anti communist socialist than anyone around here. If you want to make it a true open market then make it. They haven’t earned anything and they’re only banking off some arbitrary ranking and boosters and the brand that’s already there. Give them a scholarship, give them some money, earn some on true NIL maybe. The rest let them go pro and get paid all that they’re worth.

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    KaseyKasey Posts: 28,889 mod

    Where’s the personal jab? I said at worst…you inferred incorrectly I guess.

    Seems like these guys are getting what the free market will allow. So it leads me to question how anti-communist you really are.

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    RxDawgRxDawg Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Scholarships, room, and board have monetary value. Quite a bit. Not to mention the facilities, training, and medical they have access to. I'm not sure what you mean about checking out the history?

    It bugs me when people approach this argument like the athletes got nothing and were completely taken advantage of. That isn't remotely true.

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