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I respectively Disagree with Jeff Sentell

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @brentwilson said:
    I don’t understand how one can be “too tall” to play CB?? he’s fast and big so why can’t he be a lockdown corner

    It's been mentioned several times in this thread alone, and I've been over it ad nauseum.

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  • jarred_buckjarred_buck Posts: 958 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @cd1044 said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @cd1044 said:

    @coastaldawg said:
    Jeff was giving his opinion, based on tape of his high school games and camps. Whether or not he can play as a shut-down corner won’t be known till he gets to campus and gets on the practice field. I think that given our personnel, the staff hopes that he can lock down a corner position for the next three years (at least). If the star position is a better fit for him, I would be fine having a Minka Fitzgerald type talent at that position, it worked out pretty good for him and ‘Bama.

    Tru the problem is ga doesn't really have the depth that bama did at outside corner and I agree we will probabaly put him at corner first but his size and speed seems better suited for the outside role. As good as hybrid guys are they aren't as valuable as shut down corners that's why denzel ward went over Minkah in the draft.

    While i agree we really need a lockdown corner to replace baker, Jeff usually doesn’t talk out of his ass on these types of things. He said he’d heard it from multiple coaches. And i don’t think Campbell ending up at star is a bad thing. They’re still on the field a lot in our system

    he also said some coaches preferred him over Patrick Surtain ao it wasn't like all the coaches said this buy yea your still right but I beleive tyson has the most upside as an outside corner I don't want him in a hybrid role that's wasting his potential let him play what made him a 5 star I don't like Jeff suggesting that's what he will be even if it is what some coaches said at least let im go through practice first cause even the dawgnation daily host strongly disagreed with jeff sentell saying campbell will be a fitzpatrick type and made an excellent point how ga doesn't have the secondary depth to do that with campbell. I see a pure corner outta campbell I could be wrong tho.

    @cd1044 said:

    @dawgbybirth said:
    If we disagree with Jeff then we are disagreeing with those he asked who get paid for their professional evolutions. Jeff did his homework on this and did not come to an uniformed conclusion. He shares the experts advice with us his readers.
    Do I agree with those conclusions. Doesn't matter, excited to see with Tyson's talents and smarts led him to his best team fit. As they say there always just trying to get there best 12 players on the field.

    Tru I agree and no way I'm disagreeing with professioanls but I don't understand how the number 2 corner in the nation is recommended to convert to safety in college when he's 6'2 with 4.2 speed doesn't make sense imo

    Brother, please start using periods or something to space out your sentences. I actually want to read what you write (whether I agree or not) but don’t because it looks like an unorganized mess. I am NOT a grammar nazi either!

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  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @cd1044 said:

    What do you mean? "Respectively" disagree? LOL

    @amjadawgs said:
    There are two points to consider here: One, physics tells us (and shows us) that shorter people have a lower center of gravity and change direction and accelerate quicker than taller people. Two, there ARE exceptions to the rule. Some people just have the God given talent to this even if they are taller.

    But, as stated, there ARE exceptions to the rule. Not sure where Campbell will excel as a DB, but I’m pretty confident CKS and CMT will have him in the right position to be successful.

    You are correct on point one, but I will only disagree in semantics on point two. There are NOT exceptions to the rule. If Tyson were shorter then he absolutely would be able to turn his hips quicker than he does now at 6'2". The only "exception" is in regards to he just might still be faster than his competition. That's to say he might have enough God given talent to overcome his body length. 4.27 is burning it up in the 40.

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  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I cant help but wonder if WCDawg isnt one of Jeff's unnamed sources.

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  • insertusernamehereinsertusernamehere Posts: 854 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgbybirth said:.
    Do I agree with those conclusions. Doesn't matter really, excited to see Tysons talent in his best role. As they say there always just trying to get there best 12 players on the field.

    If we can figure out how to get 12 on the field without penalties, that could certainly help! :D

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  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The best “cover” corner to ever do it was Neon Deion at 6’1. Campbell will be 6’3. An underrated facet to both their games is their strength and ability to jam off the line to funnel a receiver to the spot they want them to go. Shorter guys probably are a lil more fluid in hips. Recovery speed will make up for that lack of fluidity though, especially in college and that can’t be taught. Campbell isn’t just track fast, he’s football fast. I encourage all to turn back on the tape to watch the kids from AH. Even outside of his own highlights, this kid is 100% legit. Having seem them live I posted in November I liked Campbell better than Surtain just because his ceiling looks higher.

    We ain’t got no worries here. Anxious to see this young man play ball.

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  • jarred_buckjarred_buck Posts: 958 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @SoFL_Dawg said:
    The best “cover” corner to ever do it was Neon Deion at 6’1. Campbell will be 6’3. An underrated facet to both their games is their strength and ability to jam off the line to funnel a receiver to the spot they want them to go. Shorter guys probably are a lil more fluid in hips. Recovery speed will make up for that lack of fluidity though, especially in college and that can’t be taught. Campbell isn’t just track fast, he’s football fast. I encourage all to turn back on the tape to watch the kids from AH. Even outside of his own highlights, this kid is 100% legit. Having seem them live I posted in November I liked Campbell better than Surtain just because his ceiling looks higher.

    We ain’t got no worries here. Anxious to see this young man play ball.

    This!

    A lot of us are overthinking it. The kid can play! Look for him to be a force.

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  • umoonerumooner Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @JeffSentell said:
    **Posted 40-yard dash and short shuttle times from the Nike Opening regionals in the spring of 2017. **

    Tyson Campbell: 4.47 in the 40/4.57 in the short shuttle
    James Cook: 4.71 in the 40/4.26 in the short shuttle
    Auburn WR signee Anthony Schwartz: 4.34 in the 40/4.09 in the short shuttle
    Tommy Bush: 4.47 in the 40/4.15 in the short shuttle
    Nadab Joseph: 4.54 in the 40/4.19 in the short shuttle
    Divaad Wilson: 4.62 in the 40/4.32 in the short shuttle
    Justin Fields: 4.51 in the 40/4.16 in the short shuttle
    Nolan Smith 2017: 4.59 in the 40/4.34 in the short shuttle
    Channing Tindall: 4.86 in the 40/4.19 in the short shuttle
    Chris Smith: 4.69 in the 40/4.20 in the short shuttle
    Kearis Jackson: 4.57 in the 40/4.24 in the short shuttle
    Clemson CB signee Kyler McMichael: 4.57 in the 40/4.26 in the short shuttle
    Ryland Goede 2017: 5.09 in the 40/4.28 in the short shuttle
    Azeez Ojulari: 4.70 in the 40/4.32 in the short shuttle
    Otis Reese: 4.39 in the short shuttle
    Brenton Cox: 4.95 in the 40/4.40 in the short shuttle

    Campbell will be an excellent player at UGA. I hope folks don't think that comparing him to a 3-year instant impact guy and key cog on Alabama's defense (and a 1RDP) here is anything but an honest scouting evaluation.

    Pretty big leap in the compliment department for a 5-star player who hasn't even enrolled yet. This was a projection. Definitely not a downgrade to his skills.

    @cd1044 - Keep doing your thing, man. Disagreement and civil debate is what this space on DawgNation is for.

    Campbell is going to play a TON for the Bulldogs the next three years. Maybe he fell down or slipped somewhat on that short shuttle, but the film does back that up. If he fell, then he had the chance to scratch that time and also run it again.

    Maybe the S&C staff at UGA will shave about two or three-tenths of a second off that pro agility 5-10-5 time.

    Campbell is a hoss. Looked excellent at the U.S. Army All-American practices. I just wanted to share some feedback that he could not be shining at the cornerback spot from the jump.

    Those Fields and Tommy Bush times tho

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  • FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Everyone's short shuttle time is less than his 40 time except for TC's. Is that a typo or did someone trip him?

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:

    @cd1044 said:

    What do you mean? "Respectively" disagree? LOL

    @amjadawgs said:
    There are two points to consider here: One, physics tells us (and shows us) that shorter people have a lower center of gravity and change direction and accelerate quicker than taller people. Two, there ARE exceptions to the rule. Some people just have the God given talent to this even if they are taller.

    But, as stated, there ARE exceptions to the rule. Not sure where Campbell will excel as a DB, but I’m pretty confident CKS and CMT will have him in the right position to be successful.

    You are correct on point one, but I will only disagree in semantics on point two. There are NOT exceptions to the rule. If Tyson were shorter then he absolutely would be able to turn his hips quicker than he does now at 6'2". The only "exception" is in regards to he just might still be faster than his competition. That's to say he might have enough God given talent to overcome his body length. 4.27 is burning it up in the 40.

    Really Mike Haynes was the only 6'2'' CB I've ever seen who could mirror a receiver, BUT he was the best cover corner period in my opinion. There has never been a great 6' 3'' CB, and it's not because of the scarcity of 6' 3'' people.

    Haynes had astoundingly good feet, we may never see another like him.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @SoFL_Dawg said:
    The best “cover” corner to ever do it was Neon Deion at 6’1. Campbell will be 6’3. An underrated facet to both their games is their strength and ability to jam off the line to funnel a receiver to the spot they want them to go. Shorter guys probably are a lil more fluid in hips. Recovery speed will make up for that lack of fluidity though, especially in college and that can’t be taught. Campbell isn’t just track fast, he’s football fast. I encourage all to turn back on the tape to watch the kids from AH. Even outside of his own highlights, this kid is 100% legit. Having seem them live I posted in November I liked Campbell better than Surtain just because his ceiling looks higher.

    We ain’t got no worries here. Anxious to see this young man play ball.

    If you've ever heard Sanders talk about the mechanics of the position you know he harps on the ability to back peddle with a lot of knee bend to keep the center of gravity low.
    In hs Campbell tried to bend at the waist when he changed directions, we'll see whether he has the ability to get low and flip his hips.

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  • thehutch40thehutch40 Posts: 442 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    TC's short shuttle time to me indicates 2 things. Either his footwork for the drill is off or he is lacking lower body strength the decelerate quickly. I would probably guess at the 2nd as taller players often struggle due to biomechanics, but the skills CAN be improved greatly through training. But some of y'all act like X player can not play Y position due to some height requirement. By that argument, Richard Sherman should have never played in the NFL.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @thehutch40 said:
    TC's short shuttle time to me indicates 2 things. Either his footwork for the drill is off or he is lacking lower body strength the decelerate quickly. I would probably guess at the 2nd as taller players often struggle due to biomechanics, but the skills CAN be improved greatly through training. But some of y'all act like X player can not play Y position due to some height requirement. By that argument, Richard Sherman should have never played in the NFL.

    Sherman played a very simple scheme that didn't require he play a lot of man coverage in Seattle.
    Carroll uses a very simple 2 deep quadrant scheme where Sherman often played more like a shallow safety than CB.
    We'll see how he adapts in S.F.

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  • cd1044cd1044 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @brentwilson said:
    I don’t understand how one can be “too tall” to play CB?? he’s fast and big so why can’t he be a lockdown corner

    exac> @umooner said:

    @JeffSentell said:
    **Posted 40-yard dash and short shuttle times from the Nike Opening regionals in the spring of 2017. **

    Tyson Campbell: 4.47 in the 40/4.57 in the short shuttle
    James Cook: 4.71 in the 40/4.26 in the short shuttle
    Auburn WR signee Anthony Schwartz: 4.34 in the 40/4.09 in the short shuttle
    Tommy Bush: 4.47 in the 40/4.15 in the short shuttle
    Nadab Joseph: 4.54 in the 40/4.19 in the short shuttle
    Divaad Wilson: 4.62 in the 40/4.32 in the short shuttle
    Justin Fields: 4.51 in the 40/4.16 in the short shuttle
    Nolan Smith 2017: 4.59 in the 40/4.34 in the short shuttle
    Channing Tindall: 4.86 in the 40/4.19 in the short shuttle
    Chris Smith: 4.69 in the 40/4.20 in the short shuttle
    Kearis Jackson: 4.57 in the 40/4.24 in the short shuttle
    Clemson CB signee Kyler McMichael: 4.57 in the 40/4.26 in the short shuttle
    Ryland Goede 2017: 5.09 in the 40/4.28 in the short shuttle
    Azeez Ojulari: 4.70 in the 40/4.32 in the short shuttle
    Otis Reese: 4.39 in the short shuttle
    Brenton Cox: 4.95 in the 40/4.40 in the short shuttle

    Campbell will be an excellent player at UGA. I hope folks don't think that comparing him to a 3-year instant impact guy and key cog on Alabama's defense (and a 1RDP) here is anything but an honest scouting evaluation.

    Pretty big leap in the compliment department for a 5-star player who hasn't even enrolled yet. This was a projection. Definitely not a downgrade to his skills.

    @cd1044 - Keep doing your thing, man. Disagreement and civil debate is what this space on DawgNation is for.

    Campbell is going to play a TON for the Bulldogs the next three years. Maybe he fell down or slipped somewhat on that short shuttle, but the film does back that up. If he fell, then he had the chance to scratch that time and also run it again.

    Maybe the S&C staff at UGA will shave about two or three-tenths of a second off that pro agility 5-10-5 time.

    Campbell is a hoss. Looked excellent at the U.S. Army All-American practices. I just wanted to share some feedback that he could not be shining at the cornerback spot from the jump.

    Those Fields and Tommy Bush times tho

    Exactly my point appreciate it fam in fact some said he was the best corner during practices which included patrick surtain. Not to mention his 40 is prob much faster considering he runs a 100 meter in 10:38 seconds the kid will be special for us no matter what the haters say.

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