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@dgd829 I've stated before that I enjoy reading many of your takes - don't always agree - but enjoy your take on things.
I think I could agree with you more, or at least understand your point of views more, if you didn't speak so often in definites or guarantees.
I don't believe there is anyone on this forum that knows 100% on anything.
We can assume, we can make educated guesses but we never really know for sure.
I don't buy your opinion that Georgia will sign 28-30 players. Could it happen - sure. But it's probably unlikely.
For you to speak like it's a sure thing just seems irresponsible.
Again, I enjoy your point of views and hope this message doesn't come accross as more negative than I intended.
Just wanted to share on the ots Rusty said Joseph would count against this class if he signs. Just wanted to pass on that information.
Rusty may have said it, but that doesn't make sense to me. He's already signed with UGA once. If I understand the rules, he can't count twice.
He also said that Robertson took that spot when he came Cal.
I wonder if this would apply (https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008):
15.5.1.4 Cancellation of Aid. Once an individual becomes a counter in a head-count sport (see Bylaws 15.5.2, 15.5.4, 15.5.5, 15.5.6, 15.5.7 and 15.5.8), the individual normally continues as a counter for the remainder of the academic year. However, if he or she voluntarily withdraws from the team prior to the first day of classes or before the first contest of the season (whichever is earlier) and releases the institution from its obligation to provide financial aid, the individual no longer would be considered a counter (see Bylaws 15.5.2.2 and 15.5.6.4.1).
If Nadab didn't show up and released UGA from his initial counter back then, he would have to count if/when he actually came to UGA.
This makes sense
If true, and I think it is, I'm not sure Joseph is a take if he counts against the 25. Would you all agree?
Rivals forecasts are now 58% UGA for Evans
Great find. comments below
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. [FBS/FCS] An "initial counter" is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)
15.5.1.4 Cancellation of Aid - The counter here means as regard to the 85 and hence could be replaced by DRob. As I read it both Joseph and DRob however count as "Initials" as Joseph signed a LOI and DRob was awarded a scholarship before completing a full academic year before getting a scholarship. Comment - See 15.5.1.10.1.1
15.5.1.10.1.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
15.5.2 Head-Count Sports Other Than Football and Basketball.
15.5.6 Football Limitations. [FBS/FCS] - This is the section that relates to FBS so 15.5.6.4.1 is relevant to FB
15.5.6.3.7 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution. Comment - this is the rule that suggests that Joseph would not count.
That's my interpretation but may be wrong. If so I would pass on him and go with either the 3 CB or 2 plus a 2020 safety such as JqC or preferably Williams if available.
Rusty Mansell is reeeeeally pushing the narrative that the Dawgs pulled out all the stops to try to get BJ Ojulari but are gonna come up short.
From hearing on this board and even the Dawgnation guys that BJ is a great player but not a need/fit, I can't figure out if he's trying to stir up drama while saying he's not or if he really believes this? 🤷♀️
"trying to stir up drama"... We may have been in closer communication here to get him to delay or something, but until we see some kind of confirmation that there will be some remediation due to transfer portal losses, I can't see him in the final class.
Then Rusty is flat out wrong. Wouldn't be the first time this off-season either.
But then again, people are still getting hung up on the 25 rule when it's been reported multiple times that the NCAA isn't paying that rule much attention going forward.
@Denmen185
I agree with your analysis and am not trying to poke holes in it, but an argument could be made that if you don't count as a "counter" then you wouldn't count as an "initial counter." If this argument worked, it seems the school would then be able to elect whether to use the two year Juco countback rule or write off their initial counter altogether.
15.02.3.1 An "initial counter" is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time.
15.5.1.4 if he or she voluntarily withdraws.... the individual no longer would be considered a counter
Looks like BJ is trending with UTjr. I was hoping for anywhere but there
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tps://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_f03e6112-0a8c-11e8-9dd4-2b23fb9d9fbe.html
Relevant section:
1. Prospects who sign and do not qualify academically remain part of the signing class.
Coaches can no longer retain those spots to use in future classes as they previously have done. For instance, LSU took advantage of this when 2015 signees Brandon Martin and Jeremy Cutrer failed to qualify.
Those spots were used on two 2016 prospects who enrolled the next January by way of the NCAA’s mid-year graduate replacement option and gave LSU the ability to sign 27 players in 2016. Prospects who enroll early can be counted as part of the previous signing class, if there is room. They enroll in January by acquiring a scholarship from a senior graduating in December.
This is in line with what I read elsewhere.
IMPORTANT. This article also says that the Blue Shirt rule was also changed so Cager and Wolf may not count against the 25 for 2020. That would make 25 available but no Blueshirt for Zirkel so that would mean 9 spots remain. Also confirms Joseph would be "Free".
Sorry if I have been misleading all but I read somewhere that Cager and Wolf were 2020 Blueshirts. Will try to research further.
That could also hurt us with Gilbert with teammate Harrison Bailey already committed.
I’m OK with Gilbert there if it means Johnson/Washington for us.
He just can’t wrap his head around being a TE and that’s a problem we dont need.
We need a TE. Not a Player that thinks he knows better than the coaches.
15.5.6.3.3 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid During First Year. [FBS/ FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.9) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice during the first year of enrollment becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
This contradicts the article posted. This means the blue Shirt rule still exists so ignore my last 2 paragraphs on the previous post.
Dang it. I knew I should have gone to law school.
I did! And it still won't help in trying to understand the NCAA....trust me.