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Here is every pass play of 20 or more yards thru 5 games..

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    moosmoos Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @umooner said:

    @levander said:

    @moos said:

    @levander said:

    @moos said:
    Interesting bit of side trivia:

    Fromm and Tua have the same number of completions. Fromm has 5 more attempts. Tua has 5 more TDs

    Is the 5 more TD’s because of a longer YPA? If Tua has a significantly larger YPA, that would be something to envy much more so than the 5 more TD’s. Both teams have plenty of TD’s to spare.

    Hard to say, they do have 100 more passing YPG than us total (which is a lot,) some I think it may be scheme related as well as the fact that they throw well into the 4th quarter with Hurts.

    But I think the completions/attempts comparison is interesting because they are viewed as having a more "open" offense than we do, regardless of how accurate that is. Whatever the cause, I think they're succeeding more early and being aggressive later.

    I just looked it up, 13.19 for Tua, 10.14 for Jake. I don’t have a feel to know how big of a deal that is. And I suspect it’s not really enough to go off of because statistics in football aren’t as telling as they are in other sports.

    Here’s the links if you want to look at more stats.

    Bama: http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/333
    UGA: http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/61

    I could care less about the extra 100 yards a game, that’s just Bama running up the score. I prefer the classier way Kirby handles it and just runs the ball at the end of the game to wind down the clock.

    Bama is scoring almost all of their points in the first half though.

    They're not crock potting anymore. It's more like sear and sous vide now.

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    moosmoos Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @levander said:

    @moos said:

    @levander said:

    @moos said:
    Interesting bit of side trivia:

    Fromm and Tua have the same number of completions. Fromm has 5 more attempts. Tua has 5 more TDs

    Is the 5 more TD’s because of a longer YPA? If Tua has a significantly larger YPA, that would be something to envy much more so than the 5 more TD’s. Both teams have plenty of TD’s to spare.

    Hard to say, they do have 100 more passing YPG than us total (which is a lot,) some I think it may be scheme related as well as the fact that they throw well into the 4th quarter with Hurts.

    But I think the completions/attempts comparison is interesting because they are viewed as having a more "open" offense than we do, regardless of how accurate that is. Whatever the cause, I think they're succeeding more early and being aggressive later.

    I just looked it up, 13.19 for Tua, 10.14 for Jake. I don’t have a feel to know how big of a deal that is. And I suspect it’s not really enough to go off of because statistics in football aren’t as telling as they are in other sports.

    Here’s the links if you want to look at more stats.

    Bama: http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/333
    UGA: http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/61

    I could care less about the extra 100 yards a game, that’s just Bama running up the score. I prefer the classier way Kirby handles it and just runs the ball at the end of the game to wind down the clock.

    Not strictly limited to passing, but if you have a 3YPP advantage over your opponent, then your win expectancy is 98.9%. It could be a big deal, all else being equal and head to head.

    Source: https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/college-football-five-factors

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    BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:

    @moos said:
    Interesting bit of side trivia:

    Fromm and Tua have the same number of completions. Fromm has 5 more attempts. Tua has 5 more TDs

    Is the 5 more TD’s because of a longer YPA? If Tua has a significantly larger YPA, that would be something to envy much more so than the 5 more TD’s. Both teams have plenty of TD’s to spare.

    Tua has quite a few tds where his receivers were clear of coverage. I think Jake has 1.

    I’m amazed at how wide open they are.

    It better not be the receivers fault they’re not open. As deep as we are at receiver, surely Kirby could have found someone that can get open.

    Robertson proved he can run routes and get clearance at Cal. I don't believe it's SEC speed at DB either.

    Agreed. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see WR prospects start to reconsider their position on UGA. :blush:

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:

    @moos said:
    Interesting bit of side trivia:

    Fromm and Tua have the same number of completions. Fromm has 5 more attempts. Tua has 5 more TDs

    Is the 5 more TD’s because of a longer YPA? If Tua has a significantly larger YPA, that would be something to envy much more so than the 5 more TD’s. Both teams have plenty of TD’s to spare.

    Tua has quite a few tds where his receivers were clear of coverage. I think Jake has 1.

    I’m amazed at how wide open they are.

    It better not be the receivers fault they’re not open. As deep as we are at receiver, surely Kirby could have found someone that can get open.

    Robertson proved he can run routes and get clearance at Cal. I don't believe it's SEC speed at DB either.

    Agreed. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see WR prospects start to reconsider their position on UGA. :blush:

    It's a fixable problem. The question is whether we have the right QB coach and WR coach to get it done.

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    TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    How do these stats compare to Fromm last year? Just curious, as that helps tell us if we’re heading in the right direction.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:
    How do these stats compare to Fromm last year? Just curious, as that helps tell us if we’re heading in the right direction.

    It will take some homework to come up with a meaningful comparison because all but 2 of Fromm's 10 throws over 20 yards this year were short passes with runs after the catch.
    Going over all 15 games from 2017 will be tedious unless the info is already compiled somewhere. I went through all 5 games and watched the point of each catch for this season.

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    PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Thanks @WCDawg ... great information once again. This is why I come here is for stuff like this

    The part that intrigued me is length of pass past 15 yards. This means the team only has 5 pass completions that were thrown beyond 15 yards.

    That means less than 10 percent of pass completions are beyond 15 yards (in the air) and less than 3 percent of overall plays are beyond 15 yards in the air

    I do not think this is because the team is not capable... It’s mainly that these plays are not being called. We have a very stacked receiving room and we are not throwing the ball past 15 yards

    Looking at the fact that less than 3 percent of overall plays are beyond 15 yards in the air... it’s not hard to understand why someone like Haselwood is not as interested in UGA at this time

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Thanks @WCDawg ... great information once again. This is why I come here is for stuff like this

    The part that intrigued me is length of pass past 15 yards. This means the team only has 5 pass completions that were thrown beyond 15 yards.

    That means less than 10 percent of pass completions are beyond 15 yards (in the air) and less than 3 percent of overall plays are beyond 15 yards in the air

    I do not think this is because the team is not capable... It’s mainly that these plays are not being called. We have a very stacked receiving room and we are not throwing the ball past 15 yards

    Looking at the fact that less than 3 percent of overall plays are beyond 15 yards in the air... it’s not hard to understand why someone like Haselwood is not as interested in UGA at this time

    I didn't list passes under 20 yards, I know there are some between 15 to 20, that would take some more work to dig through.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PharmDawg2054 said:
    Thanks @WCDawg ... great information once again. This is why I come here is for stuff like this

    The part that intrigued me is length of pass past 15 yards. This means the team only has 5 pass completions that were thrown beyond 15 yards.

    That means less than 10 percent of pass completions are beyond 15 yards (in the air) and less than 3 percent of overall plays are beyond 15 yards in the air

    I do not think this is because the team is not capable... It’s mainly that these plays are not being called. We have a very stacked receiving room and we are not throwing the ball past 15 yards

    Looking at the fact that less than 3 percent of overall plays are beyond 15 yards in the air... it’s not hard to understand why someone like Haselwood is not as interested in UGA at this time

    Ok, this was easier than I thought it might be.
    I found a video with every completion Fromm had last season.

    These are just the completions that traveled at least 20 yards from the LOS in the air, he had a lot more that ended up over 20 with YAC

    21
    41
    24
    34
    30
    45
    23
    40
    27
    25
    50
    25
    23
    25
    32
    23
    25
    36
    22
    25
    27
    22
    38
    42
    21
    23
    45
    So 27 completions with over 20 yards thru the air over 15 games compared to 2 over 5 games so far this season.
    After watching that video I'm more convinced Jake is taking longer to process this year, maybe because he's working on his progressions and he's not proficient with them yet.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:
    How do these stats compare to Fromm last year? Just curious, as that helps tell us if we’re heading in the right direction.

    The comparison is in my last post, I meant to attach it to this post.

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    pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 17,769 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @umooner said:

    @levander said:

    @moos said:

    @levander said:

    @moos said:
    Interesting bit of side trivia:

    Fromm and Tua have the same number of completions. Fromm has 5 more attempts. Tua has 5 more TDs

    Is the 5 more TD’s because of a longer YPA? If Tua has a significantly larger YPA, that would be something to envy much more so than the 5 more TD’s. Both teams have plenty of TD’s to spare.

    Hard to say, they do have 100 more passing YPG than us total (which is a lot,) some I think it may be scheme related as well as the fact that they throw well into the 4th quarter with Hurts.

    But I think the completions/attempts comparison is interesting because they are viewed as having a more "open" offense than we do, regardless of how accurate that is. Whatever the cause, I think they're succeeding more early and being aggressive later.

    I just looked it up, 13.19 for Tua, 10.14 for Jake. I don’t have a feel to know how big of a deal that is. And I suspect it’s not really enough to go off of because statistics in football aren’t as telling as they are in other sports.

    Here’s the links if you want to look at more stats.

    Bama: http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/333
    UGA: http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/61

    I could care less about the extra 100 yards a game, that’s just Bama running up the score. I prefer the classier way Kirby handles it and just runs the ball at the end of the game to wind down the clock.

    Bama is scoring almost all of their points in the first half though.

    Not really,
    They scored 23 in the second half vs Louisville after being up 28-0 at half,
    They scored 17 in the second half against Arky St after being up 40-0 at half
    They scored 13 in the second half against Ole Miss after being up 49-7 at half.
    They scoured 14 in the second half against TAMU after being up 31-11 at half
    They scored 7 sun the second half against LA after g=being up 49-0 at half.

    I’d say they are running up the score a bit.

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    RPMdawgRPMdawg Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Oline has to do a better job of holding blocks longer to throw the ball deep. Maybe we open up more when they come around. Sacks are drive breakers.

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    SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,084 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg solid posting, good read. I like you sometimes.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @RPMdawg said:
    Oline has to do a better job of holding blocks longer to throw the ball deep. Maybe we open up more when they come around. Sacks are drive breakers.

    A TE has missed quite a few blocks that let to sacks and hurries.

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    moosmoos Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @RPMdawg said:
    Oline has to do a better job of holding blocks longer to throw the ball deep. Maybe we open up more when they come around. Sacks are drive breakers.

    A TE has missed quite a few blocks that let to sacks and hurries.

    But to give him credit, he had a pancake block against Tennessee last Saturday in the run game.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @moos said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @RPMdawg said:
    Oline has to do a better job of holding blocks longer to throw the ball deep. Maybe we open up more when they come around. Sacks are drive breakers.

    A TE has missed quite a few blocks that let to sacks and hurries.

    But to give him credit, he had a pancake block against Tennessee last Saturday in the run game.

    He's game, he's just not skilled at pass-pro.

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    moosmoos Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @moos said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @RPMdawg said:
    Oline has to do a better job of holding blocks longer to throw the ball deep. Maybe we open up more when they come around. Sacks are drive breakers.

    A TE has missed quite a few blocks that let to sacks and hurries.

    But to give him credit, he had a pancake block against Tennessee last Saturday in the run game.

    He's game, he's just not skilled at pass-pro.

    Agreed, I'm surprised at how much of a gap there has been with Jackson Harris out. I had been undervaluing him.

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    moosmoos Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2018

    So I created this based on some rough stats this morning for comparison:

    It focuses on starting QB stats only vs all rushing stats (it's hard to find out which rushes we're done when the non-starting QB is in the game,) so it's a little inaccurate on the rush percentage, but close enough.

    If/when UGAs pass offense does click, look out.

    Edit: it also shows that OSU and OU aren't as pass happy pass people think.

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @moos said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @moos said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @RPMdawg said:
    Oline has to do a better job of holding blocks longer to throw the ball deep. Maybe we open up more when they come around. Sacks are drive breakers.

    A TE has missed quite a few blocks that let to sacks and hurries.

    But to give him credit, he had a pancake block against Tennessee last Saturday in the run game.

    He's game, he's just not skilled at pass-pro.

    Agreed, I'm surprised at how much of a gap there has been with Jackson Harris out. I had been undervaluing him.

    I had the idea when he was signed that Jackson is so good at blocking and has such a good frame he might have been a good candidate for converting to an OL.

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    corai3corai3 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    To put this into perspective, I coach a middle school team and we had 3 passes get caught at more than 20 yards in the air in one quarter(we are just an average team). Georgia should be able to have more than 2 in 5 games.

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