Instant Karma, The ump gifted Acuna a GRAND SLAM !

WCDawg

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
I think he called it a strike because of the relaxed way Acuna took it but so glad he did.

Acuna stepped away from the box as the pitch was thrown, I agree that could have factored in.
It's just another in an endless line of bad calls. It's nuts to have a perfect system to call balls and strikes and not use it.
Dump the ump, let cameras call the shots.

Wish it were the argument room. I like the fact that umps miss calls, really I do. It makes things more uncertain and therefore more exciting or nerve wracking if you wish. In my mind, a robot calling the game would be boring. It might prevent arguments but there aren't all that may arguments over balls and strikes any more. Plus, I'm not sure the camera is always right. Someone has to make a judgement about where the camera sits and what it measures etc. Plus, haven't you ever booed the umpires when they come out on to the field? I love that part of the game.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

WCDawg

@kelly_b said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
I think he called it a strike because of the relaxed way Acuna took it but so glad he did.

Acuna stepped away from the box as the pitch was thrown, I agree that could have factored in.
It's just another in an endless line of bad calls. It's nuts to have a perfect system to call balls and strikes and not use it.
Dump the ump, let cameras call the shots.

Wish it were the argument room. I like the fact that umps miss calls, really I do. It makes things more uncertain and therefore more exciting or nerve wracking if you wish. In my mind, a robot calling the game would be boring. It might prevent arguments but there aren't all that may arguments over balls and strikes any more. Plus, I'm not sure the camera is always right. Someone has to make a judgement about where the camera sits and what it measures etc. Plus, haven't you ever booed the umpires when they come out on to the field? I love that part of the game.

I think this game is too complex and subjective to put in "robots," (though I'd love to see Sweet Lou throwing bags at one). I'm with you. Anyway, for the most part these guys do a great job. Yeah, they do make mistakes, sometimes game-deciding ones (infield fly rule, anyone?), but I also love the human element.

How is this complex, we all see the actual position of the ball in real time now through the triangulated camera integration system in use at every game. Just let it call balls and strikes, the umps would still have a role, just not the lame ass god like power they have now.

donm

@WCDawg said:

@kelly_b said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
I think he called it a strike because of the relaxed way Acuna took it but so glad he did.

Acuna stepped away from the box as the pitch was thrown, I agree that could have factored in.
It's just another in an endless line of bad calls. It's nuts to have a perfect system to call balls and strikes and not use it.
Dump the ump, let cameras call the shots.

Wish it were the argument room. I like the fact that umps miss calls, really I do. It makes things more uncertain and therefore more exciting or nerve wracking if you wish. In my mind, a robot calling the game would be boring. It might prevent arguments but there aren't all that may arguments over balls and strikes any more. Plus, I'm not sure the camera is always right. Someone has to make a judgement about where the camera sits and what it measures etc. Plus, haven't you ever booed the umpires when they come out on to the field? I love that part of the game.

I think this game is too complex and subjective to put in "robots," (though I'd love to see Sweet Lou throwing bags at one). I'm with you. Anyway, for the most part these guys do a great job. Yeah, they do make mistakes, sometimes game-deciding ones (infield fly rule, anyone?), but I also love the human element.

How is this complex, we all see the actual position of the ball in real time now through the triangulated camera integration system in use at every game. Just let it call balls and strikes, the umps would still have a role, just not the lame ass god like power they have now.

What would you see as their role? Just not balls and strikes? What about check swings? Outs at the bases? Catch/no catch in the OF?

donm

I like camera angle from behind home plate better than CF. Not for calling balls and strikes and such but for getting a better feel for what the batter experiences, including velocity.

WCDawg

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@kelly_b said:

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
I think he called it a strike because of the relaxed way Acuna took it but so glad he did.

Acuna stepped away from the box as the pitch was thrown, I agree that could have factored in.
It's just another in an endless line of bad calls. It's nuts to have a perfect system to call balls and strikes and not use it.
Dump the ump, let cameras call the shots.

Wish it were the argument room. I like the fact that umps miss calls, really I do. It makes things more uncertain and therefore more exciting or nerve wracking if you wish. In my mind, a robot calling the game would be boring. It might prevent arguments but there aren't all that may arguments over balls and strikes any more. Plus, I'm not sure the camera is always right. Someone has to make a judgement about where the camera sits and what it measures etc. Plus, haven't you ever booed the umpires when they come out on to the field? I love that part of the game.

I think this game is too complex and subjective to put in "robots," (though I'd love to see Sweet Lou throwing bags at one). I'm with you. Anyway, for the most part these guys do a great job. Yeah, they do make mistakes, sometimes game-deciding ones (infield fly rule, anyone?), but I also love the human element.

How is this complex, we all see the actual position of the ball in real time now through the triangulated camera integration system in use at every game. Just let it call balls and strikes, the umps would still have a role, just not the lame ass god like power they have now.

What would you see as their role? Just not balls and strikes? What about check swings? Outs at the bases? Catch/no catch in the OF?

They would be monitors and rules interpreters.

donm

Ah.

WCDawg

@donm said:
Ah.

Indeed.

orlando

The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

WCDawg

@orlando said:
The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

What is the value of having some fat, underpaid, half blind and arrogant ump making bad call after bad call ? Polio used to be a tradition too.

orlando

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

What is the value of having some fat, underpaid, half blind and arrogant ump making bad call after bad call ? Polio used to be a tradition too.

I see what your saying and yes I think the umps in baseball and refs in football should be younger and trained better.

WCDawg

@orlando said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

What is the value of having some fat, underpaid, half blind and arrogant ump making bad call after bad call ? Polio used to be a tradition too.

I see what your saying and yes I think the umps in baseball and refs in football should be younger and trained better.

There is no viable alternative to refs in football though, in baseball we have a near perfect system for calling balls and strikes already in place yet we stick with a system that has a very high rate of bad calls.
In football most important calls are reviewed, baseball doesn't even allow for balls and strikes calls to be corrected.

Dawg4Life912

Wish it happened like that every time lol

orlando

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

What is the value of having some fat, underpaid, half blind and arrogant ump making bad call after bad call ? Polio used to be a tradition too.

I see what your saying and yes I think the umps in baseball and refs in football should be younger and trained better.

There is no viable alternative to refs in football though, in baseball we have a near perfect system for calling balls and strikes already in place yet we stick with a system that has a very high rate of bad calls.
In football most important calls are reviewed, baseball doesn't even allow for balls and strikes calls to be corrected.

Have a good friend that umps high school games. At this level they are taught to set up inside and the outside stuff is more of a judgement call or guess really.

WCDawg

@orlando said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

What is the value of having some fat, underpaid, half blind and arrogant ump making bad call after bad call ? Polio used to be a tradition too.

I see what your saying and yes I think the umps in baseball and refs in football should be younger and trained better.

There is no viable alternative to refs in football though, in baseball we have a near perfect system for calling balls and strikes already in place yet we stick with a system that has a very high rate of bad calls.
In football most important calls are reviewed, baseball doesn't even allow for balls and strikes calls to be corrected.

Have a good friend that umps high school games. At this level they are taught to set up inside and the outside stuff is more of a judgement call or guess really.

It's impossible for a human being to see every pitch with enough precision to make the correct call at a very high rate.
I saw a breakdown on HBO a few years back. Balls in the middle of the strike zone were being called correctly almost every pitch. By the time they got to the edge of the zone it was just hit and miss, a chimp could have done as well.

WCDawg

@Dawg4Life912 said:
Wish it happened like that every time lol

Sometimes people fall ass backwards into money, but it's not a solid financial plan.

donm

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

What is the value of having some fat, underpaid, half blind and arrogant ump making bad call after bad call ? Polio used to be a tradition too.

They are not all fat. They are not, I do believe, at all underpaid. They even get vacation days in the middle of the season. I think their eyesight, while not necessarily of fighter jet quality, or Ted Williams quality, can't be all that bad. Arrogant? Might go with being God on the field. Don't know. I love the idea of not giving the call to the reviewers. Let them make up their own minds. Subtle pressure to uphold the umps' calls can be working in this equation.

WCDawg

@donm said:

@WCDawg said:

@orlando said:
The blue crew is part of the game, always has been, always will be
The only thing I see that should be changed is when the replay goes to NY, don’t give them the call on the field.

What is the value of having some fat, underpaid, half blind and arrogant ump making bad call after bad call ? Polio used to be a tradition too.

They are not all fat. They are not, I do believe, at all underpaid. They even get vacation days in the middle of the season. I think their eyesight, while not necessarily of fighter jet quality, or Ted Williams quality, can't be all that bad. Arrogant? Might go with being God on the field. Don't know. I love the idea of not giving the call to the reviewers. Let them make up their own minds. Subtle pressure to uphold the umps' calls can be working in this equation.

I mean their heads are fat..many bodies are as well.
Let's give them all a sandwich and some pie, they can eat while the cameras get it right.

WCDawg

@coastaldawg said:
Folty starting again in Game 4, hopefully he’ll calm down and go at least 6 innings.

I have a hunch he'll be on his game, helpfully no fat headed ump will muck things up.

WCDawg

It's game time folks...GO BRAVES !

Teddy

Braves pitching gives up so many walks, and/or balls causing them to get behind in counts. It’s awful and frustrating to watch.