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Josh Donaldson

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @AndersonDawg said:
    $23M for a guy who hit his weight last year? He was a great player but injuries have made him very average. I hope he pans out better than another blockbuster player, BJ Upton.

    It was just last year though, he was on top in 2017. Hopefully our scouts did their homework. He has been a 30 hr, .380 OBP player in recent years, that would be a huge plus if he can return to form. If he is healthy and Camargo can play well at SS we'll have added big value at both positions.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @coastaldawg said:
    Have to like the moves, filled two positions without giving up any of our young pitchers, and only have a one year obligation on both. Will have Camargo and Culbertson as utility players, or replacements for Swanson. Can still trade some of our young pitchers for a right fielder, a front line starting pitcher, or bullpen help.

    All of the above. Teheran could go either way . He's a relative bargain at his current salary, which also makes him attractive trade bait for other teams. He was supposed to be our ace, but the flashes of brilliance have been intermittent. I have doubted for more than a year if he would ever be consistent.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm definitely impressed they spent on Donaldson, and hope it works out. Just seems like a roll of the dice with $23M that I didn't expect from this group. Hopefully the physical is thorough and comes up clean.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited November 2018

    @TNDawg71 said:
    I'm definitely impressed they spent on Donaldson, and hope it works out. Just seems like a roll of the dice with $23M that I didn't expect from this group. Hopefully the physical is thorough and comes up clean.

    It will be fun (I hope) to follow him thru the season. I'm glad we got a one year deal for him...if he doesn't work out were clean. If he does, we can trade him or keep him, although 23 mil is a pretty steep price tag. I like that AA isn't afraid to take chances. I'm a little nervous that he seems to favor his former players (Joey Bats, for example). But then, one could argue, he at least knows them quite well and what they can do - or have done. I just hope Johan doesn't fall in the cracks. I think he could be an elite player, hitting close to .300 and 20+ homers per year plus great D. If he only gets spotty at bats, he won't continue to improve.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    I'm definitely impressed they spent on Donaldson, and hope it works out. Just seems like a roll of the dice with $23M that I didn't expect from this group. Hopefully the physical is thorough and comes up clean.

    It will be fun (I hope) to follow him thru the season. I'm glad we got a one year deal for him...if he doesn't work out were clean. If he does, we can trade him or keep him, although 23 mil is a pretty steep price tag. I like that AA isn't afraid to take chances. I'm a little nervous that he seems to favor his former players (Joey Bats, for example). But then, one could argue, he at least knows them quite well and what they can do - or have done. I just hope Johan doesn't fall in the cracks. I think he could be an elite player, hitting close to .300 and 20+ homers per year plus great D. If he only gets spotty at bats, he won't continue to improve.

    I think the offensive upgrade at SS made possible by this move might be greater than the increase at 3B. If Camargo wins the job over Swanson it could mean an extra 30 to 40 runs for the team over a season. Swanson's low OBP is a deal killer from my perspective. Having a guy with a .300 OBP in the lineup is a rally killer.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    I'm definitely impressed they spent on Donaldson, and hope it works out. Just seems like a roll of the dice with $23M that I didn't expect from this group. Hopefully the physical is thorough and comes up clean.

    It will be fun (I hope) to follow him thru the season. I'm glad we got a one year deal for him...if he doesn't work out were clean. If he does, we can trade him or keep him, although 23 mil is a pretty steep price tag. I like that AA isn't afraid to take chances. I'm a little nervous that he seems to favor his former players (Joey Bats, for example). But then, one could argue, he at least knows them quite well and what they can do - or have done. I just hope Johan doesn't fall in the cracks. I think he could be an elite player, hitting close to .300 and 20+ homers per year plus great D. If he only gets spotty at bats, he won't continue to improve.

    I think the offensive upgrade at SS made possible by this move might be greater than the increase at 3B. If Camargo wins the job over Swanson it could mean an extra 30 to 40 runs for the team over a season. Swanson's low OBP is a deal killer from my perspective. Having a guy with a .300 OBP in the lineup is a rally killer.

    I said this earlier, but I feel like all 5 of the infielders will be “starters”. Kind of in the same breath we would say Ben Zobrist was a starter in the cubs, where he would get 5 starts a week at a bunch of positions. Camargos defensive flexibility is pretty well valued in the modern game and AA has said as much. And Donaldson will need plenty of rest, and hopefully this allows them to rest Ozzie freeman and Swanson more often so they’re fresher throughout the season.

    It’s probably a bit too early to give up on dansby right now, but this is really a make or break season for him.

  • AndersonDawgAndersonDawg Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I’m optimistic (maybe hopeful is a better word) that Donaldson pans out. But I remember last year the Braves brought in an outfielder (forgot his name) batting sub 200 and his batting average DROPPED while a Brave. I hope I’m wrong but seems to me $23M should get you a sure thing ( if one exists).

  • Steve_ZissouSteve_Zissou Posts: 307 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Camargo is great- dude will take SS duties this year.
    Dansby still has a little trade value. I could see him moved b4 Spring.
    Not sure why ATL media has Markasis on trading block. We would be foolish to let him go. Solid .285 hitter every year

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited November 2018

    @Steve_Zissou said:
    Camargo is great- dude will take SS duties this year.
    Dansby still has a little trade value. I could see him moved b4 Spring.
    Not sure why ATL media has Markasis on trading block. We would be foolish to let him go. Solid .285 hitter every year

    Kakes isn’t on the trading block, he is not under contract with the Braves. They still could re sign him if they want, but so could every other team. That being said there’s more to the game than batting average... very likely we try to upgrade the corner outfield spot instead of signing nick to a stopgap 1 year deal.

    And @AndersonDawg 23M is definitely a lot, but that’s baseball these days. We are seeing contracts in the 30-40M per year range now so 23 is more palatable.

  • kelly_bkelly_b Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Steve_Zissou said:
    Camargo is great- dude will take SS duties this year.
    Dansby still has a little trade value. I could see him moved b4 Spring.
    Not sure why ATL media has Markasis on trading block. We would be foolish to let him go. Solid .285 hitter every year

    I like Nick, too, but he played well above expectations last year. If they don't move him now (and let's face it, he's in the twilight of his career) they won't get max value for him, so it makes sense imo.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @kelly_b said:

    @Steve_Zissou said:
    Camargo is great- dude will take SS duties this year.
    Dansby still has a little trade value. I could see him moved b4 Spring.
    Not sure why ATL media has Markasis on trading block. We would be foolish to let him go. Solid .285 hitter every year

    I like Nick, too, but he played well above expectations last year. If they don't move him now (and let's face it, he's in the twilight of his career) they won't get max value for him, so it makes sense imo.

    Nick is a Free Agent

  • kelly_bkelly_b Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 - Ah thx. I wasn't aware of that. For some reason I thought they had him for another year.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    I'm definitely impressed they spent on Donaldson, and hope it works out. Just seems like a roll of the dice with $23M that I didn't expect from this group. Hopefully the physical is thorough and comes up clean.

    It will be fun (I hope) to follow him thru the season. I'm glad we got a one year deal for him...if he doesn't work out were clean. If he does, we can trade him or keep him, although 23 mil is a pretty steep price tag. I like that AA isn't afraid to take chances. I'm a little nervous that he seems to favor his former players (Joey Bats, for example). But then, one could argue, he at least knows them quite well and what they can do - or have done. I just hope Johan doesn't fall in the cracks. I think he could be an elite player, hitting close to .300 and 20+ homers per year plus great D. If he only gets spotty at bats, he won't continue to improve.

    I think the offensive upgrade at SS made possible by this move might be greater than the increase at 3B. If Camargo wins the job over Swanson it could mean an extra 30 to 40 runs for the team over a season. Swanson's low OBP is a deal killer from my perspective. Having a guy with a .300 OBP in the lineup is a rally killer.

    I said this earlier, but I feel like all 5 of the infielders will be “starters”. Kind of in the same breath we would say Ben Zobrist was a starter in the cubs, where he would get 5 starts a week at a bunch of positions. Camargos defensive flexibility is pretty well valued in the modern game and AA has said as much. And Donaldson will need plenty of rest, and hopefully this allows them to rest Ozzie freeman and Swanson more often so they’re fresher throughout the season.

    It’s probably a bit too early to give up on dansby right now, but this is really a make or break season for him.

    I can't imagine Swanson will get starter's innings if Carmargo works out at SS, unless he improves as a hitter of course.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @kelly_b said:

    @Steve_Zissou said:
    Camargo is great- dude will take SS duties this year.
    Dansby still has a little trade value. I could see him moved b4 Spring.
    Not sure why ATL media has Markasis on trading block. We would be foolish to let him go. Solid .285 hitter every year

    I like Nick, too, but he played well above expectations last year. If they don't move him now (and let's face it, he's in the twilight of his career) they won't get max value for him, so it makes sense imo.

    Markakis had a good year, but it wasn't an anomaly, he's never had a really bad year in 13 MLB seasons.
    In 2018 his OBP was .366, his career average is .358.
    His BA in 2018 was .297, his career average is .288.
    He also played all 162 games in 2018. I think he'd be low risk over a 3 season contract.

  • kelly_bkelly_b Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @kelly_b said:

    @Steve_Zissou said:
    Camargo is great- dude will take SS duties this year.
    Dansby still has a little trade value. I could see him moved b4 Spring.
    Not sure why ATL media has Markasis on trading block. We would be foolish to let him go. Solid .285 hitter every year

    I like Nick, too, but he played well above expectations last year. If they don't move him now (and let's face it, he's in the twilight of his career) they won't get max value for him, so it makes sense imo.

    Markakis had a good year, but it wasn't an anomaly, he's never had a really bad year in 13 MLB seasons.
    In 2018 his OBP was .366, his career average is .358.
    His BA in 2018 was .297, his career average is .288.
    He also played all 162 games in 2018. I think he'd be low risk over a 3 season contract.

    No, you're right, but nobody really expected him to perform as well as he did. And he was great. Plus, I was under the misapprehension that we had him for another year, but as @TNDawg71 pointed out to me, he's a free agent. It all depends. Personally, I'd like to see them invest the lion's share of what's left to spend on the pen and maybe a front-end guy to fill the hole Teheran represents. As much as I like Julio, he's too unpredictable. I don't know. Do we have any prospects in the OF who could take Nick's place or do you think they should sign him?

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