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It may sound like sour grapes coming from a Dawg fan, but we’ve known how sleezy this guy is for a long time. Now the rest of the country sees just how bad he truly is. His time is coming.
I’m not talking about the “I can’t recall” thing. I’m talking about official government investigations where they list some ridiculous offenses, you’re reading them, and you’re like “oh my god, they did this!” Then at the end they’ll go, “and we’ll, this doesn’t really deserve any punishment” pattern.
I should have just written it short like that instead off adding all the disclaimers I added.
Still, selling weapons to an enemy nation to buy drugs to sell on American streets to finance an illegal war against Central American peasants vs using a private server to store information.
To an unbiased reader, which seems worse ? I mean to RATIONAL conservatives ?
Who is Urban Meyer?
Meyer truly does suffer from CMLS. It is a serious disease often suffered by Politicians, CEO's, and others who find themselves in situations where truth comes out that contradicts their past statements. What is CMLS? Convenient Memory Loss Syndrome.
I think it is because a good many OSU fans and others are placing a lot of weight on the comments made by the mother of Courtney Smith. When the mother of the victim says she wasnt really abused then there will be some who believe her, especially when it suits their favored narrative. I read an article this morning suggesting the reason Meyer didnt apologize to Courtney Smith is because he possibly doesnt believe her. There was info put out that Shelley Meyer was also skeptical, fwiw. Given the minor punishment by OSU, it seems fair to wonder if perhaps others in the room didnt share those same feelings. The mother said this was about her daughter seeking revenge (for infidelity). The mother and daughter are now estranged, of course, but that was not the case in 2015. Mom says the daughter needs mental help. If this happened in Athens there would be many wondering aloud why the mother’s comments wouldnt carry more weight. They would say not only did the police not press charges, her OWN MOTHER doesnt believe her.
So did Meyer choose to believe Hernandez when police told him Hernandez was a suspect in a double shooting and refused to cooperate ? Meyer not only did nothing, when asked whether he thought back to that case after Hernandez was arrested for another murder his reply was something like, no, not till 2 days ago, why should I have ?
He has a history of allowing thugs to operate within his programs with seeming impunity.
The mother of Smith's wife also sent texts in the past where she showed full support for her daughter. Who knows what kind of drama is behind her turning on her daughter.
Since 2012, Ohio $tate fans including my brother-in-law (God love him) have been busy deleting deleting texts, emails and message board threads about "What a Fill In the Blank" Urban was during his Florida days.
This is horrible PR for the program. OSU is bigger than CUM just as UGA is bigger than Kirby. This is going to be awful PR all season, and recruiting will suffer due to this bad PR.
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Hernandez is a different and totally unrelated topic. I can't speak to why Urban Meyer does things. I was only addressing why I believe OSU fans want to believe certain narratives. Certainly the mother/daughter thing is a crap store. The mother denies the text messages are legit, claiming she also does not remember them. Those text messages have not been validated as legitimate, to my knowledge.
I heard an OSU fan call in to ESPNU last night on SiriusXM. He spoke to my point above, and referenced the pictures Courtney Smith released. He was definitely one of the skeptics I mention above. He said the arm looked like a hand squeeze one might make if you were trying to keep someone off of you or get them away, and that the neck was clearly not from being choked and didn't look like someone had hit her. He said, "I'm not impressed by those pictures. If that's the worst you can come up with after so many years of alleged abuse then you have to wonder." The hosts obviously slammed him for victim shaming, but he did get me to think about the fact I've been slapped, punched, and even choked. I do sort of know what those types of injuries looked like. (Disclaimer: No I'm not in to S&M or other violent sex play, but I was taught that fighting on the playground was sometimes necessary, and later joined a fraternity )
I you think about it, the length of the suspension is what one might expect if a coach got caught making false statements to the media, and not what you would expect for a cover up of the sort that was reported. I am just not surprised that a CFB fanbase would remain loyal to a successful HC through about anything.
Meyer's handling of Hernandez and other thugs is not at all unrelated when judging Meyer.
This isn't a court of law, it's more like sentencing where a person's record can be considered before a sentence is handed down.
This POS has a history of at best looking the other way while thugs ran wild on his watch.
But that's not the current conversation. Duh.
You got a link? I have no idea but my guess is that the reporter is a OSU guy or even the Number 1 OSU hack of all, Jeff Snook. He's the guy who wrote the initial Courtney "mother" story that all the OSU fans are hanging onto like a life boat. Snook is an OSU alum, personal friend of Meyer, and has written several books with Meyer. The health of the OSU program and Meyer's access to that program is Snook's gravy train. He is hardly objective. And I could see how a guilty mother, who failed to protect her daughter and might have even encouraged her to stay on with an abusive marriage for her own financial security just might not want to admit that Zach "intentionally" hurt her. How about "unintentionally"? Just like Meyer didn't intentionally lie.
But was Meyer really a good judge of whether or not these allegations were true? All it seems he did was to ask Zach Smith--who, of course, denied it. That was enough for Urban. That's Meyer's investigative MO. He takes "his guys" word for it, and that is the extent of Urban's truth-finding. Just as it was for his interactions with a number of bad character guys, like Hernandez, at UF. It's a self-serving approach for him and for them. Willful blindness.
BUT, as **** as the situation with Zach and Courtney Smith is....that's NOT why Meyer was suspended. Whether or not Urban or Gene Smith believed Zach Smith is beside the point. Here you go:
(1) Meyer failed to disclose the 2009 allegations to the AD when Smith was hired,
(2) He failed to disclose the 2009 allegation to Smith AGAIN when the 2015 allegations became known to Gene Smith,
(3) He failed to report the allegations to compliance staff as he was contractually REQUIRED to do,
(4) He LIED at Big Ten media day about his awareness of the allegation,
(5) He almost certainly destroyed evidence by deleting texts hours before the allegation,
(6) He LIED again in his Facebook statement in which he claimed to always "follow proper protocol" in his career and in this case. He very clearly did not as the investigation details, and finally
(7) He almost certainly lied to the investigators AGAIN in claiming that Courtney recanted the 2009 allegations to him (even Zach Smith denies this) AND in claiming that Shelly Meyer never shared any texts, pictures, allegations with him in 2015. This is almost literally incredible.
Those seven points don't rely on Zach Smith being guilty of DV against his wife. OSU fans seem to be intentionally blind to this fact because they have to be to continue to defend Meyer. They've lost all of their other defenses:
Meyer DIDN'T know!!! Oh ****, he did....well....
Meyer followed all the protocols!!! Oh ****, he didn't?.....well...
Courtney Smith is a bitter woman and is making it all up....
But if we're weighing the credibility of their stories, I'd believe Courtney Smith against the word of PROVEN LIARS Urban Meyer and Zach Smith every single time, unless I viewed some credible evidence to the contrary. Have you forgotten the Zach's response to Courtney's reminder that he choked and beat her??? "I'M SO SORRY!!!" Not something a wrongfully accused person would apologize for against a bitter wife!
It is relevant. A leopard doesn't change it's spots very often, Meyer's history and the similarities in how he's handled situations are telling.
Do you suffer from long term memory loss?......I don't remember
Do I have a link to what? The mother’s comments in his story are not disputed by the mother, so its not like Snook’s background creates bias. She said what she said. Im not taking sides, or even saying you are wrong.
.......What was that ?
"I read an article this morning suggesting Meyer didn't apologize....." Yes, do you have a link to that article? Honestly, the credibility of the mother and the motivation for her comments to Snook are very much disputed, as is the biased way that Snook framed the story.
https://www.facebook.com/823615204329212/posts/the-estranged-mother-of-courtney-smith-confirmed-to-me-on-saturday-she-sent-text/2059446414079412/
Any response to the other 90% of my post?
The fixation by some on Courtney Smith's mother in this whole episode is the equivalent of "Mark Fuhrman said the 'N-word' so OJ is not guilty.".....especially with respect to what Urban Meyer is already proven to have done.
Mark Furhman took the fifth amendment in a court of law when asked if he had any involvement.......That's a little more then saying the N word