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Which current NBA player would have the most value on the open market ?..

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Of course Cleveland did beat GS Once. I agree this Toronto roster works very well together and has more and better role players though. That goes back to just how big of an impact LeBron has on a team. No other player has come close to transforming teams the way he has, and he's done it repeatiedly.

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    No question to date LeBron is the best to ever lace 'em up. Well, he and K.A.J. that is.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Bill Russell is my pick as all time best, but LeBron is on a very short list of candidates.

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    This 1 probably won't go over well with some but I would take peak Kawi Leonard over peak Kobe. The difference. Efficiency. Kawi is a guy with 50/40/90 potential every year through out the remainder of his career on volume and clutch scoring and is a peerless perimeter defender, whereas Kobe was a low efficiency LOUD Gunner who holds the record for most missed shots in a career that spanned 20 years with 1....1 League MVP..... in 20 years. Should NEVER, EVER B in the Goat conversation headed by KAJ and LBJ respectively. He's more realistically in the conversation with the Paul Pierce's, Dirk Nowitzkis, Dwayne Wade's, Dominique Wilkinses, George Gervings, James Harden and all the rest that are outside of that Holy Basketball Trinity of KAJ, LBJ and of course SOME would say Jordan.

  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    On Kobe- I would encourage you to look at years 2005-7 when Nash won MVP twice and Dirk another. Compare those years to Kobe; rhetorical question but do you think the legal trouble Kobe was in had something to do with the league not honoring him as the MVP? It was around this time where the best player on the best team started to be the narrative. However, MJ won mvp on a team with a losing record.

    In short, Kobe should have at least 4 MVPs. He’s the second best SG in history and Kawhi hasn’t done nearly enough yet to surpass him. Kobe was also an elite defender, 12 times he made the all NBA team for his defense.

    Even if you don’t respect the man, you gotta respect his game.

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    His inefficient gunning combined with his aloof personality r ruinous to team chemistry which is why Shaq had to go as Kobe " I wanna b, I wanna b like Mike" Bryant was WAY preoccupied with his Michael Jordan FANTASIES to focus on what was best for the "TEAM" which would've obviously included retaining Shaq who at the time had AT LEAST 2-3 peak years left but Kobe opted for a lesser team so that he could get all the shine and people actually praise this guy as a guy that loves winning so much and would cut your heart out to win. Huh? 🤔🤔🤔

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    He was also very condescending and rude to his lesser known teammates which is an example of his negative effect on team chemistry.

  • LORLOR Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Shaq ate his way out of town, and the only reason he lost weight is because he felt disrespected that the Lakers bailed on him. He was on cruise control the entire season then wanted to be the man come playoffs. Don’t put that all on Kobe.

  • SoFL_DawgSoFL_Dawg Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    OK. Kobe didn’t appear to be a good dude, or a guy you’d grab a brew with. Shaq is/was an egotistical child as well. Shaq’s relationships didn’t end well with Penny, Kobe, Wade, and Nash. When a player got more shine than Shaq, it was a problem. Shaq got bored with winning, showed up fat and out of shape 03-04 and Lakers consequently lost to a Pistons team they should’ve beat in 5.

    Shaq is arguably the most dominant player of all time but he owns a few slices of the blame pie too.

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    He also failed to elevate his lesser known teammates the way that LeBron has done throughout the ENTIRETY of his career as Steve Nash sent him packing in THE 1ST ROUND!!! TWICE!!! 😂😂😂😂

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Kobe's legal troubles had nothing to do with him winning only 1 MVP in 20 years of trying to copy cat Jordan. He just wasn't the dominant player that people try to say he was. Sure he averaged 35 pts per game 1 season. Anyone care to guess how that season ended as far as TEAM accomplishments. Did the man ever shoot over 46 pct from the field for a season in 20 years of imitating MJ? I doubt it. I doubt it because he wasn't interested in efficiency, he was most interested in being Michael Jordan. The problem with that? It had already been done so Kobe came off as a wannabe which is a real turnoff to people that respected and respects MJs legacy.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    MeR3htd. I think Kobe just happened to be similar to MJ. Kobe actually worked very hard

    To master Olajuwan's low post moves. They worked together a lot over several off seasons and Hakem has said many times he is the best student he worked with.

  • amjadawgsamjadawgs Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I took the OP to referring to players still playing in the NBA today…??? But, I’ll get my “of all time” guys out of the way first.


    First – Magic Johnson. Yes, he had a multitude of talent around him, KAJ, Worthy, Scott, Kurt, McGhee, but Magic performed at a level that made each and every one of them even better.


    Second – Mr. Jordan. And yes, that’s Master Jordan, not Mister. Pippen was great in his on regard, but would he really have been “that great” had the not played with Jordan so long? We can’t answer that definitively, but I really don’t think so.


    Today’s Game – Westbrook. And I’m not even a Westbrook fan! I really DID NOT like him when he and Durant played together at OKC. I think Westbrook’s refusal to share the ball (selfish play) hurt the Thunder. BUT – This guy has turned his game around. Only the second player ever to average a triple double for a full season – and he did it THREE times, just barely missing a fourth 4 years ago. Not one of my all time favorite players, but he would be a HUGE difference maker for several teams. Likely would never happen, but can you imagine him being part of what the Pelicans will have in the next few years?

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I don't know. People r starting to question Russ man. He hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs since KD left even with him having Paul George for 2 of those 3 first round exits. He's averaged a triple double for 3 years in a row but is he even a top 10 player anymore? Oh man and that BRICKING. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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