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oldon42, I like your thoughts about keeping an academic scholarship in effect until a former player gets his degree. Of course, progress would need to be made toward the degree . Possibly there could be a time limit, say 2 years. Nothing currently prevents a player from writing a book (Malcolm Mitchell), painting, or inventing something and being paid like other students. Schools paying students is currently regulated by the NCAA. Maybe that stipend should be increased significantly for all players. However, that might force less affluent schools toward a decision to drop football altogether or move to Division III.
I am not sure you are right. The small market teams do not have the competition from pro teams that the large market teams have. A player from Georgia is competing for jobs with the various professional teams in Georgia. Who is a player from Iowa competing with. There maybe a better chance to sell your college jersey in Iowa or Nebraska than in Georgia, Washington or Ohio.
Grad students do get paid, I’m sure if you are doing research you get compensated.
I nowhere there are certain instances such as grad students and certainly research projects, etc etc. I’m just pointing out that there are “school” achievements which bring grants and funding, and ticket sales (arts, acting, music, not extracurricular, required course credit participation) in which students do not get compensated directly.
Sports shouldn’t be seen any different just because it makes more money.
Again, the only players that will benefit from This are the players already destined for Sunday’s paycheck. So who are we even helping here?
RedDawg, Unless I misunderstand the law it is only about indirect compensation. Some player gets a job signing autographs or sells his jersey. Or is in a add for one of the local business. Just like if they were in the arts, music or any other part of the college.
Were you say "the only players that will benefit from This are the players already destined for Sunday’s paycheck" I really disagree with you. I think you are looking at it from the SEC point of view. You can be a real good player for the Wyoming Cowboys, North Dakota or the Montana Grizzlies and not get a chance at the NFL. You would still be big news in you local area. Even at a place like Georgia their are some very popular players who have almost a zero chance at the NFL Netori Johnson and Nate McBride come to mind.
Money is ruining Pro sports. NFL viewership is down and football fans are flocking to college. What do you think it will do to college sports. I think this is a deliberate attempt to bust up the last masculine strong hold on this society and destroy the pipeline to the NFL. They tried to frighten players and their mothers with concussion scare but football adjusted with concussion protocol, targeting penalties, and safer helmets. There is no path to the Pro's but through college. There they gain the size and speed needed to compete at the next level. Maybe the NFL can double their rosters for a JV squad. Players getting paid for their likeness!!! Can you imagine the environment that would create on a team. Half the Pro's don't know how to handle money. What do you think a 18 year old would be doing. Simple solution supply all their needs guaranteed access to education up to doctorate, food , clothing , transportation, healthcare, and spending money.
8 of the top 10, 19 of the top 25, and 40 of the top 50 watched sports events last year were NFL games. NFL is more national NCAA is more regional. I'd say in spite of all the sky is falling crowd on viewership numbers the nfl is just fine and players getting paid for their performance is ok.
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2019/01/top-sports-audiences-2018-list/
If Nike can pay them anybody can pay them. Meaning big boosters will have a field day.
I'm not the quickest at guessing these things, who is BA ? As far as the discussion. A law dictating how revenue is distributed would be almost as anti free market as what we have now. Strike down the collusive and monopolistic system we have now and decide the rest through collective bargaining between whoever ends up representing ownership and whoever ends up representing labor.
I assume BA is Brandon Adams.
Collusive and Monopolistic? They're students. Thus the crux of the issue. Using your argument that any student engaged in unpaid labor is unfair and they should paid just like any other job. And wages to be determined through collective bargaining.
"So tell us future boy", how does your view of unpaid students work in other cases? What about the band members and cheerleaders? Well, they have no expectation of income once they graduate you would say. So they don't get paid. How's that going to fly?
And what about other "unpaid emplyees?" The LaCrosse players? Tennis players? Gymnasts? Don't forget the golfers. Is there college ping pong?
And then there's the HS athletes. By your definition, any unpaid student is worthy of emplyee status and collective bargaining. Where does it end?
Good points. There is also college bowling to consider as well as field hockey.
Indeed BA is Brandon Adams. And its surprising that anyone on this forum is unfamiliar with the host of the Dawgnation Daily podcast and several other podcasts on this web site. He has made a point of insisting on being called BA. He figures that anyone that calls him Brandon does not watch him. If you will check out my picture, he is the young guy I am standing next to.
As to how it works... all you have to look at is how every other form of amateur athletics works outside of the NCAA.
Mark Spitz was paid to be on the Wheaties box while still an amateur (but after he was done competing at Indiana). How did that work? Because every other form of amateurism outside of the NCAA defines it as not being paid to compete at your sport... but allows you to make money from the fame you get from your sport.
ONLY the NCAA holds the idea that you can't be paid for fame generated from being an athlete to remain an amateur. The rest of amateur athletics outside of the NCAA seems to exist without issues.
Either they're an employee... in which case any agreement between colleges to restrict their salaries is a violation of anti-trust law... or they're not in which case restricting their ability to work contractually is a violation of contract law.
I cannot think of a contract other than an employment agreement (which would make them an employee) that has been allowed to restrict a person's ability to earn income on penalty of voiding the contract. I've asked others to suggest one and nobody had been able to come up with anything that does that aside from a NCAA athletic scholarship.
If anyone can think of an example where someone is restricted from certain legal forms of employment due to a non-employment contract, I'd love to know about it.