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  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,828 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Compared to other diseases ravaging the wold, this has been pretty minor so far. Half of those fatalities are in one specific location (NY/NJ). 14,000 is tragic...but about 50,000 die in the USA from the normal flu every year. This thing in on track for about that. TB kills 4,000 people every single day...no global shutdown over that. In a historical view of global pandemics, this is fairly minor.

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,828 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
  • RxDawgRxDawg Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yes, I think it's applied by both sides. The question is, do you think it's applied equally? Because at this point in time, i sure don't.

  • RxDawgRxDawg Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    SARS is actually the medical condition that was caused by another strain of coronavirus several years ago. Essentially, just nasty lung inflammation. It stands for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome.

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,828 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The world is full of nasty diseases. Are we going to go through this all over again next year when H1N1, Corona and whatever else comes back?

  • SavageSavage Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
  • Old_lady_dawg_fanOld_lady_dawg_fan Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm not much of the pollyanna type, but I wonder if we'll have a few good outcomes.

    One, will this fast track antiviral medicines? We've previously only nibbled around the edges on that capability.

    Two, will rediscovering quarantines and physical barriers better prepare us for a time when antibiotics are no longer effective?

  • CaliforniaDawgCaliforniaDawg Posts: 674 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Pgjackson, I"ll take this on and try to answer what our failed response is, which is what you asked. Please know that I am doing my absolute best to make this apolitical. Deep down, I personally don't see Covid-19 as a left vs right thing. I see it as a professional vs unprofessional thing.

    First, some pre US response context:

    December 6, 2019 - first case of Covid19 identified in China

    December 21, 2019 - China sees a group of similar cases that it calls pneumonia like

    December 30, 2019 - Dr. Li Wenliang issues warning to other doctors of a SARS like virus

    January 1, 2020 - China forces Dr. Li Wenliang to say he misled people and was wrong

    January 23, 2020 China finally quarantines Wuhan under quarantine and admits human to human transmission

    March 19, 2020 China reports no new Covid19 cases

    April 6, 2020 China reports no the first day of no deaths from Covid19

    I think China placed pride and politics over full disclosure. I think China reacted late, but starting in late January they acted aggressively to contain and address Covid-19. I don't trust China to do the right thing and no American should. From December 1st to December 30th, I give China a pass as no one knew what the heck was going on. But when Dr. Wenliang issued his warning and was silenced through the end of January, China did not prioritize solving the outbreak over its national pride. As a planet, we lost about 20-30 days due to China doing this. But, by the end of January, every epidemioligist and every official who listened to epidemiologists knew this was serious. So up until late January I put the delay blame on China. After that, everyone had enough warning and a strong or slow response is based on how each country responded.

    Now let's turn to the US response

    As context, John Hopkins rated the USA as the second most prepared country to deal with a pandemic and rated 1st in 5 of 6 categories (19th in the 6th). With this level of ability, we should have been able to have the 2nd best response on a per capita basis of any country. If we believe the US is great and the president sites this study of how ready we are, we should be able to back this up if we execute properly.

    January 3, 2020 - China notifies US about Covid19

    January 6, 2020 - the New York Times writes its first article about Covid19 saying there are 59 cases in China

    January 17, 2020 - the US has customs and border patrol do screening tests for all travelers coming from Wuhan province. This is a very important thing to consider. I think this was a very aggressive and early action. This was the US doing the right thing early. It wasn't effective for many reasons, but we had no way of knowing back then and I don't fault leaders for trying something that was based on science and seemed like a good measure. Now we know about assymptomatic spread and the delay in symptoms showing, but on January 17th, this was a strong and science based action to take by screening people. The point is that officials in the US including HHS Secretary Alex Azar took this seriously and took action. This should be evidence to all of us that those in the know realized how serious Covid19 was early on. I cannot overstate how important the information was that caused this action to be taken and how this information if acted upon more widely, would have been amazing. In hindsight, I think Alex Azar's leadership was incredible and I'm surprised he had the foresight to guide this on January 17th (from my research it was Alex Azar who guided this policy, but I could be wrong - regardless, this was bold leadership).

    January 18, 2020 - Alex Azar provides the first briefing to Trump about Covid-19. Trump interupts the briefing to ask when flavored vaping products would be back on the market.

    January 21, 2020 - the first known US case of Covid19 is confirmed

    January 29, 2020 - Peter Navarro wrote a memo saying the worst case scenario of an epidemic should "not be overlooked"

    January 31, 2020 - the US bars entry for foreign nationals who had traveled to China in the past 14 days. This was the first big mistake created by a bias in policy and this was a huge mistake because it inadvertently opened the US up to Covid19. Democrats make left bias mistakes and Republicans make right bias mistakes and this was a right bias mistake. Not for implementing the travel ban - I fully, fully supported a travel restriction/quarantine. The problem is as I posted on Facebook on January 31, "the virus doesn't look at passports or nationalities, it treats all humans the same. We don't need a travel ban based on nationality, we need to quarantine all humans coming into the US from China. If we quarantine everyone coming in whether they show symptoms or not for 14 days, we will protect our nation The current travel ban based on nationality is about blaming others, not stopping the virus."

    Also, I would add that if there were already cases in the US, we neeed to start putting out information about Covid19 being serious and implementing domestic containment strategies recommended by epidemiologists.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    See Germany and South Korea that had tests ready to go as soon as the first case hit there. The "Playbook" developed by the Pandemic team that was disbanded 2018 details the need to invoke the DPA to immediately begin mass production of PPE for front-line workers as well as basic equipment. Germany and SK also began stockpile such materials. Health workers did not need to die at the rate that they are.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @CaliforniaDawg Great documentation of the FACTS, I would add that also on January 31st Azar pushed for restrictions on travel from Europe where the virus was already starting to spread. This did not happen until MARCH! Even then UK and Ireland were initially exempt for no apparent health reason, The delay in addressing this was critical as many flights from Europe come in through the NE (JFK, Newark etc.). It is no surprise that NY would be the first to be hit followed by the main business air routes (hourly shuttles to Boston, Chicago etc.).

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