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Dawgnation intellectuals literally called this a media/liberal hoax.
All's still well for me out in Germany. Someone within one of the units I support held a house party and the German Police showed up. 25,000 Euro fine for breaking social distancing rules.That's a little over $27k at today's exchange rate. The Germans are not playing around with this at all and I don't think its a bad thing. Its not spreading very much in the area around me and examples like the one above are a big reason why. Stay safe everybody and just follow the rules. Its not worth getting a fine or getting the virus regardless of how you personally feel about the pandemic.
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If anything, that was thorough, Cali...
Incredible summary, and I agree with most of your conclusions. Hard not to, because - ON THIS SIDE OF IT - everything looks very clear and obvious.
There are a lot of moving parts. We know about 2% of what we will eventually know about this virus and this situation.
I will argue that making any conclusions about what was right and what was wrong RIGHT NOW is premature, and making those conclusions LOOKING BACK is very "Monday morning QBing" even though they seem sound.
That is what frustrates me, and I say that apolitically. The talking heads sound like self-righteous d-bags - on both sides. A week - just one week - before we shut school down, I would have thought that idea was insane. Looking back, it seems to have been a no-brainer.
Our society, our perspective, our thought processes, have been forever changed. What is obvious now wasn't even an option not long ago.
Concur. Very nice job by @CaliforniaDawg g on the time line. I don't agree with all of his assessments, but it was certainly a thorough job of bringing information together. Also agree with @Canedawg2140 that it's pretty easy to look back and see where things should have been done differently...but that goes with any difficult situation. There is a military saying "no plan survives first contact". Doesn't matter how well you game-plan...once the action starts, you will have to change the plan. The entire world was caught off guard. China was not honest at the beginning and everyone was left to their own devices to figure out a plan. Like you say, six months from now what we think we know today will be completely obsolete.
The good news is that it appears we have flattened the curve. Nobody is predicting millions of deaths any more. The honest, tough decision we are going to have to make in the near future is how much risk Are we willing to take? We can't have the country on lock-down much longer. The long term social and economic impact would likely be worse than whatever damage this virus will do.
I agree monday morning qb'ing is easier. I did try to include thoughts i had in the moment to try to avoid that. I also am quick to give benefit of the doubt to understandable confusion, such as the airport screening. It didnt work, but we only know that with the benefit of hindsight. Thus its not fair to criticize it looking back. I think we have to rationally separate out things thst couldn't have been known at the time from things that should have been known at the time. I tried my best to do that.
The reality is.....although the virus doesn't care about a person's political views, religion, race or whatever......
It's next to impossible for people to keep politics out of it.
It's amazing to me that people blame our governments response time. I personally believe our government has done a phenomenal job. Just because certain "experts" advised that things be shut down sooner.....doesn't mean it was a realistic call.
Sometimes things have to happen before people or governments react. We weren't prepared.....but honestly.....how in the heck could we have been.
Moving forward I'm confident we'll be more prepared. Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton.....name the administration......would not have been prepared. It's a reality.
And regardless if people want to acknowledge it or not......@pgjackson is correct that this country will have to get back to some normalcy sooner rather than later......because the ramifications could be catastrophic. Far worse than the virus.
But I also don't understand how anyone could take the list of other causes of death and somehow compare it to this pandemic.
There is actually a chance that once everything is said and done.....that the regular flu will have caused more deaths in 2018 than Covid 19 will in 2020.
But the country doesn't shut down because of the flu. 65000 - 85000 deaths in the country is awful and would be awful if/when that occurs because of this virus. If everyone knew that covid 19 wouldn't kill more than that....the reality is that the country wouldn't be shut down.
But the problem with Covid 19.....if these drastic measures weren't put in place......there is no telling how many deaths it would have caused. It's possible it could have far surpassed what cancer causes per year.
So if the death count actually stays around 65000 as could possibly be the case..... trying to suggest that it was no worse than the seasonal flu is simply ridiculous.
This virus is an evil.....nondiscriminating.....bad ass.....the likes that no one currently living has ever seen.
Covid19 has killed over 15k in the US in around 6 to 8 weeks. The flu has killed more people at this point but it was over a longer period of time. It scares me to think of how many Covid19 would kill during the same amount of time that the flu did if we hadn't taken the measures that we have taken. It's hopefully taught a lot more people to wash their freakin hands.
Really, really looking forward to the day we can retire this thread.
please don't ever compare this to the flu any more
Bear in mind the death toll 2 weeks ago was 1246 and today will likely be 17000+. That's 16,000 in the last 2 weeks and actually close to 12,000 since last Thursday.
Please keep in mind that for some reason the CDC data collectors have decided to count anyone who has Covid and dies for whatever reason as a Coronavirus death. Other countries aren't doing that. If you have any population of a couple hundred thousand, every single day a certain amount of people will die from various unrelated causes (especially if that population is heavily weighted with the elderly). Our numbers are being over inflated intentionally. This is not speculation or conspiracy theory. This is how we are keeping track of numbers. So, if you are positive with minor symptoms and quarantining yourself at home and you have a **** or heart attack or some other random death...it is counted as a Covid-19 death. I don't get it, but that is what we are doing right now.
I wish I could upvote this 10k times!
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On the flip side, it is possible people are dying of covid that were never tested. I imagine the numbers are as accurate as they can get them at this point in time.