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Sweden has a much higher per capita death rate compared to neighboring countries as well as most of Europe with the biggest difference being the lockdown methods, so it's the most logical answer. I haven't found any underlying differences between Sweden and it's neighbors that would account for such a huge difference. Add in that they aren't going to see any economic benefit in exchange for more deaths as well as still being well below the herd immunity threshold in Stockholm, you'd have to say their approach has failed.
Edit: this isn't an argument against reopening, but I think it justifies measures that were implemented in March. We can reopen as long it's done safely. Infections on the decline, sufficient testing surveillance, contact tracing programs in place, wear masks and continue physical distancing and much as possible.
Latest on vaccine development.
Tldr; it's possible for vaccines to produce neutralizing antibodies in humans, but we don't know if the levels produced are high enough to grant protection.
@razorachilles any updates on this?
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Gray,
I talk to folks in Sweden almost every day for my work. I have a boat sitting in Sweden that I am trying to get over here to the US.
What they are telling me is that at first they only tested those sick enough to go to the hospital. Then the virus spread without people realizing how far it had spread until it was everywhere in the country and harder to deal with . They say the challenge is that most people have elderly relatives living with them and that when anyone who goes out gets it, they bring it back to elderly family members.
Now that it is warm and humid, the Virginia Gov stated at his press conference today he will announce a new policy next Tuesday requiring everyone to wear a mask in all public areas for the entire Commonwealth of Virginia.
Saw a thing in the news couple of days ago about a "faith healer" in Cameroon who "cured" those with Covid. He died of...wait for it......Covid 19. 39 years old
Is Sweeden more active in international trade and travel than its neighbors? Could move infect have come to Sweden for certain conventions, etc than other countries?
They're all pretty dependent on foreign trade, but I think it's more the movement of people within society that will have a larger effect. Tourists would expose more people than those that transport goods for example. I haven't seen anything that says Sweden had more events to hasten community spread, but who knows. Everything I've read suggests the difference has come from the soft lockdown.
I realize that's what is being put out there but why didn't other large US cities have as bad of outbreaks as NYC? Lockdowns have been pretty similar here. I just think it is more likely that an infected person or group of people hit Sweden under the right circumstances to have a larger outbreak. Look at the county in Southern Georgia that had a crazy outbreak because of bad timing at a large funeral. No other rural county in Georgia came close to those numbers.
In other words, what you are saying is the most logical answer may just be the more justifiable answer. Bad luck could have just as much to do with it.
NY had a number of things going against it.
Is this guy wrong? Asking for a friend.
This is more or less the point I was making. It is, in my mind, more likely that Sweden had certain unique factors relative to its neighboring countries that caused them to have more of an outbreak of which a softer lockdown may be one. While I do find the soft lockdown convenient to believe, I don't necessarily believe it is the most logical.
Also, if the conditions in NYC you mentioned are so unique causing the virus to go, well, viral, then why are blanket shutdown policies being enforced in areas nothing like NYC? What is the logic in that?
Lockdowns slow the spread. The similarity between NY and Sweden is that they were both late in imposing their lockdown. The difference is that NY had issues that weren't addressed either at the state or federal level due to focusing on the wrong source while Sweden chose to not lockdown thinking that they would emerge in a stronger economic position. My earlier post on Greece shows the impact of locking down earlier.
The key to controlling the virus is to lockdown early and get testing and tracing in place. The reason to slow the spread is to minimize the fatalities until a cure/vaccine can be found and implemented. The slower the spread, the lower the cost (both lives and treatment cost) ultimately as the medical community develop better treatment based on better understanding.
Dude is this Moonlight Graham from freaking Field of Dreams?