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This is the primary source
This is a local paper from Salt Lake City, but he does he good job summarizing it.
Does research count as blatant deflection now? Gotta keep your bias in check.
Here's my interpretation from a ton of academic words - sourced data is highly questionable. Were police stations really keeping accurate numbers of protesters? Same for newspapers. In their own words... "Searches for protests were carried out by the Center for Health Economics & Policy Studies (CHEPS) at San Diego State University using internet searches for local and national news articles, reports from local police departments, and communications from mayors’ and governors’ offices." Given the majority of these cities and states are blue politically I think it's logical and reasonable to trust their record keeping with a skeptical eye. You think you're going to get any reliable data out of the Seattle Mayor's office? LOL, yeah good luck with that.
Be that as it may, their conclusion boils down to an offset. The number of residents staying at home out of fear of being caught up in the protests offsets whatever spike occurred within the population of people engaged in the protests.
So your best defense is democrats everywhere are corrupt?
Their conclusion made no such statement. You made that conclusion because it fits your bias (something you claim everyone else has). The authors specifically state that do not know the mechanism for reduced transmission and state it may be due to the behaviors of people who attended the protest or didn't attend the protest (in reality the actions of both probably contributed). The main question the paper asked was did the protests cause a spike in cases? From the paper:
"Regardless of the underlying mechanisms, our findings show that the protests and the fight against COVID-19 were on net aligned."
"...when considering the results’ implications for the entire population: public speech and public health did not trade off against each other in this case."
Eeesh...
There are 1000 variables and no way to know where all these cases are coming from. We have about 6% of the data.
There are SO MANY DIFFERENT reasons the cases are up. No one factor - outside of twenty somethings really leading the rise in cases - that is causing ALL of this. I am sure the protests in some areas contributed. How much? No idea. Is it the sole cause? No chance.
Can we stop pointing fingers?
Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Step back.
The total tested for infection in Georgia through yesterday 833, 878. The remaining tests were serology tests to check for antibodies. Even if those show positive they do not become a case until confirmed as active infection by the diagnostic test. The positive rate is 9.75% overall. The positive rate for May was 6.5% but that has increased to 9.3% for June. The deaths through June total 2,805 which is higher than the ICU admissions quoted and using a 20 day lag the mortality rate is 3.8% although I do think that 2.5% of cases is a good guide to use for projection of expected deaths.
all I said was wear one.
and I tried to say it in a way that might help people not as informed as you wear one
and I tried to put it in perspective as to how easy it is
I apologize if it came off politicized in that way
wear a mask...shouldn't be that hard or divisive.
I have no idea why it continues to be or needs caveats
I expect to see the effects of the protests to show up in cases around July 15th through the end of the month. The is probably some uptick just starting but it will become very noticeable 5-6 weeks after they started as exponential growth kicks in. Watch to see if Minnesota starts to experience increasing cases in the next 2 weeks.
Wait a minute... whose side are you on?
/s
We shall see. There were protests all across the northeast as well.
Good grief... this is absolutely fruitless. Believe what you want, I can't help you.
couldn't that be said of nearly everyone on this thread? meaning almost none of us are listening to a differing opinion? we all believe what we want to be true to some extent. you and I aren't (or yaledawg) are any different in that regard
Plus it improves your looks when you wear a mask
To answer your question... I don't know if what I said to Yaledawg can be extrapolated to everyone in this thread.
I think we want to keep an open mind... in fact it behooves us to do so, because so much of C-19 is evolving. That said, I will continue to review information based on my poly-sci training. In other words, I will question all information sources for bias, based on the simple fact that this pandemic has been weaponized politically.
I've always tried to view things from all sides. It's the debater in me. Honestly I do this to a fault. Because if I don't take my wife's side immediately from that girlfriend that didn't say greet her in the store the correct way.... woh Nelly.
I'm also a master debater.
Remember that time where two people from complete opposite sides of the aisle changed each others' minds on the internet?... Me either
This doesn't make sense to me. What is the "fruit" you are after here? If you're trying to convince folks that your perspective is correct, don't get swept up in trying to convince EVERY person of that. If you're trying to mentally joust, it looks like this is pretty fruitful. I tend to be an argumentative person. I learned a few years ago that arguing for the sake of arguing is fine, as long as my counterpart agrees (many people like arguing like this, it's great!). Based on what I have read so far, I think you guys are each exactly what the other is looking for in this discussion.
You don't need a mask if you talk out of........never mind 🤣🤣🤣
Many counties in Florida are already preparing for hospital capacity issues as non essential surgeries have been postponed again already. ICUs being converted to covid specific rooms already and there is a curfew in Miami Beach again. Some restaurants are already closing voluntarily, and beaches and hotel pools are closing for the July 4th weekend all across south and central Florida.
When someone says something along the order of "So your best defense is democrats everywhere are corrupt?", then it becomes fruitless to continue on. Particularly, on a sports message board, where at best I'm in drive-by mode.
I, like you enjoy a good debate. In fact I pay a yearly fee to have the privilege of debating CEO's, Politicians, Political Analysts, former CIA Agents, Doctors etc., etc. I save the good stuff for that site.