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🤣 Pretty sure I'll just save the $5. Just trying to not stir the pot. DV coming in 3..2..1
Can I get the $5 if I can tell you who it is without mod powers?
🤣 Don't need "super powers". Remember that I'm "hiding out". I am very slippery.
My friend and his wife are both recovered, 95-100%. Not the best ordeal. But they made it through, thankfully.
I've debated posting this but a guy on the junkyard has a young daughter with a serious health issue. She got up yesterday morning crying with a headache and running a fever. He's afraid it's covid. He was taking her to the doctor but hasn't posted an update. Please keep them in your prayers.
Bankwalker - nobody minds you having a different point of view. What I personally mind is that you are are coming on here to win an argument and prove everyone wrong.
In this post, you are trying to prove that Faucci doesn't know what he is talking about and can't be trusted. You are looking for data to validate your perspective rather than using data to inform your perspective.
So let's take Faucci's comment. He is not trying to make a definitive statement, but rather using the best evidence available and giving the range of probabilities that the data supports. That is how it should be done.
And is a mask bombproof? No, it's not. But, if you reduce the RO (transmission spread of a disease) by 50%, that takes it from say 2.5 to 1.25. That means for everyone who has the virus, you are infecting 1.25 more people instead of 2.5 more people. It is far easier to fight a disease with an RO of 1.25, far easier. Masks are also far cheaper than spending trillions of dollars on unemployment and propping up businesses. If we all had worn masks from the beginning, we would have reduced the RO and had far less economic impact.
What I find ironic is that you go looking to cast doubt on Faucci when we all know of someone who said things like: "Anyone can get a test if they want" or "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. And, is there a way we can do that inside, by injection or almost a cleaning?" or "HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine" or “Maybe this goes away with heat and light (referring to summer). It seems like that’s the case."
Just imagine how angy you would be if Faucci had said the above all of which turned out to be either dangerous or wrong?
In other words, treat everyone and what they say the same regardless of your bias. If you want to doubt Faucci because he wasn't completely correct on some statement or he didn't provide certainty about the benefits of wearing a mask, fine. But apply that same doubt to anyone making the same percentage of statements that turn out not to be true or aren't definitive.
I'm not saying don't trust or distrust Faucci. I'm also not saying how anyone from me to you to anybody should think politically. Nor am I say what is or isn't the right strategy on Covid19. What I am saying is the reason why so many on this board are sick of your drabble is that you apply a different standard to whether someone is credible or some information is credible based on your political bias.
My son who tested positive and had a fever and was a little achy was told to come back to the CareSpot he was tested at in Clay County FL fter 14 days to retest. He went back yesterday but the Dr. told him there was absolutely no reason to test again since he didn't have symptoms. He did give him a list of suggestions and highlighted what he should do. Interesting because I would have thought being in FL they would want him to test. The paper was titled Summary of Recent Changes Updates as of 7/20/20 they highlighted "A test based strategy is no longer recommended to determine when to discontinue home isolation" then it said except in certain circumstances (not highlighted) "Symptom-based criteria were modified as follows: Changed from at least 72 hours to at least 24 hours have passed since last fever without the use of fever reducing medications. Changed from improvement in respiratory symptoms to improvement in symptoms to address expanding list of symptoms associated with COVID-19. For patients with severe illness, duration of isolation for up to 20 days after symptom onset may be warranted. Consider consultation with infection control experts(AKA Dawgnation)For persons who never develop symptoms, isolation and other precautions can be discontinued 10 days after the date of their first positive RT-PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 RNA A summary of current evidence and rationale for these changes is described in the "Duration of isolation an Precautions for Adults with COVID-19. This was the reason for no second test.
Speaking of babbling. Shouldn’t You be trying to keep your boat afloat? You are the most easily triggered, emotionally compromised person on the board. You also NEVER miss a chance to go off on some political rant. I got a good laugh the other day when you lost your marbles about the failed California lockdown.
The evidence on masks is inconclusive, based on many, many studies. Faucci said so himself. They can’t even give a decent range for how much they think a mask might help. They just figure it doesn’t hurt, and need a policy they can use to claim responsibility for the decline that is about to occur from burnout over the next 1-3 months.
Cali deserves better...
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Do you see his commentary as an attempt to add information to this conversation? It was nothing but a dedicated attack on me, and made false accusations regarding my intent in this thread.
Many, many liberal-types are unhappy with Faucci and his inconsistencies. This is not a straight political divide. This is not an “orange man bad/good” issue for me.
Telling the public wearing a mask will “drive this virus in to the ground”, as was publicly stated just days before by the head of CDC, and then Faucci saying “Well we don’t know how much it helps” is tremendously conflicting and worth noting.
California’s history with me is somewhat long. I don’t know how many times I have had a back and forth with him, but in almost every instance it has been because he jumps in to address me first. I really don’t engage in conversation or debate with him the way I do with @YaleDawg and others because all he offers is commentary about my views rather than a debate of the actual issues. While I find Yale can be thought provoking, my experience with Cali is the opposite. Because of that I’ve just never really been interested enough in what he has to say to get involved with him.
His hypocrisy in slamming me for this is laughable. He went off on another emotionally charged rant (and personal attack) the other day when I compared the results of California’s lockdown to other states. He turned a non-political observation in to a Left-Right accusation, the same as he has done here regarding Faucci.
Deserves better? If you say so.
“sick of your drabble”...Is that the type of complimentary discussion you appreciate? Did you Up vote that comment? How about a little consistency, folks?
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LOL. Round and round we go.
I like so many others here am praying for each and every one of y'all, and your families too. I want this pandemic to end as much as anyone. I just wish it wasn’t being so very polarized as it is now. I’ve no idea as to how long this will go on, but it can’t last forever, right??? Lastly, (why we all come here each day) GO DAWGS!!!
Hey, some good news! And from the NYT no less.
The TLDR version is herd immunity is coming.
@RxDawg That is an encouraging article and from the NYT! Here is another one that will take you by surprise. This week's Newsweek ran an oped by a Yale epidemiologist and it strongly endorses hydroxychloroquine along with an antibiotic and zinc. Very interesting read, too.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
To add to this informative article, Swedish scientists have been doing a lot of research on these memory T cells that are capable of mounting a defense against CV 19. They have tested a lot of Swedish blood and they have found that roughly, for every positive IGG serology test, there are two negative tests that contain memory T cells for fighting CV 19, and the rest are completely negative. A lot of speculation has followed, but obviously if 15-20% of your population randomly tests positive for antibodies and that represents a third of the actual immunity, you are looking at 45-60% of your population that might have immunity. That might explain why Sweden appears to have hit a degree of herd immunity at lower levels of positive antibody tests.
Interestingly, Florida publishes a sampling of antibody tests and last week the total positive rate was about 14%. That's from Jax, Orlando, Palm Beach County, and Miami. The Miami positives were in the high teens! Obviously, the higher that number for the general population, the greater the immunity. If you hit 15% to 20% you could be hitting the real HIT. How long it lasts is probably a lot more complicated, but even if you can catch it again down the road, maybe some immunity will last. Sort of like a flu shot that mutes the intensity of the disease, even though you may still catch it. I'm cautiously optimistic that Florida is leveling off and will be dropping in the coming weeks, like Sweden did. That all assumes that Sweden is due to immunity and not some other factor.
Finally, another preprint study on vitamin D from overseas. This one is from Israel. They found lower levels of D in positives compared to negatives, and after correcting for variables they found a blood level below 30ng/ml resulted in about twice the hospitalization levels of those with D above 30. That is very close to the results of the observational studies from Indonesia and the Philippines. 30ng/ml or higher was strongly associated with milder CV 19 and a better outcome.
Good summation from one of the docs on the research team:
>>“We don’t know the mechanism,” Frenkel-Morgenstern said. “What we do know is that people who develop severe COVID and were hospitalized – these people have significantly low vitamin D levels.”<<
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/vitamin-d-deficiency-could-make-you-more-prone-to-covid-19-new-study-636350
Wow. Those are certainly encouraging and impressive numbers, especially given the concentrated participation of high risk individuals and nursing home patients.
"These seven studies include: an additional 400 high-risk patients treated by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, with zero deaths; four studies totaling almost 500 high-risk patients treated in nursing homes and clinics across the U.S., with no deaths; a controlled trial of more than 700 high-risk patients in Brazil, with significantly reduced risk of hospitalization and two deaths among 334 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine; and another study of 398 matched patients in France, also with significantly reduced hospitalization risk."
400 high risk patients, + 500 high risk/nursing home patients + 334 high risk in Brazil (not enough details to included the French study).
That's 1234 HIGH RISK individuals with a loss of life totaling 2.
I wonder what the untold story is on this?
In another post you stated, "I'm cautiously optimistic that Florida is leveling off and will be dropping in the coming weeks, like Sweden did. That all assumes that Sweden is due to immunity and not some other factor."
I feel the same way as you. Cautiously optimistic. I believe US deaths were predicted to be around 1500 by the end of this month somewhere in this thread. Thankfully, we are not likely to approach that number without a big makeup day for the low Sunday totals. Fingers crossed.