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How do you protect everyone financially if everything is shutdown? And for how long? And then when you open it comes back and you shutdown again? Eventually the medical system fails, utilities etc. People I know work from home or are retired but eventually there company or retirement plan are funded by those working not from home.
Have talked to Doctor mask to mask in the Jacksonville area and they are absolutely using hydroxychloroquine. I hear the narrative the President killed people recommending it. Well yes it can exasperate heart conditions but you don't get this over the counter a Dr prescribes it.
I know doctors are using HCQ. It doesn't work.
People fear what they don't know. I'll insert myself into this for this purpose. At first, most of us were very concerned. But after a few weeks I realized that it wasn't Armageddon. Most healthcare professionals have been desensitized to it now. Or maybe a better way to put it is we are more comfortable dealing with it. Doesn't mean we don't care, we just don't wig out. If you're generally healthy, you're generally safe.
"I’m generally a big fan of epidemiology and epidemiologists."
Why bother to post an opinion piece that starts off with the above statement? Amateurish at best.
When the evidence is overwhelming I guess this is all you got.
The evidence isn't overwhelming. HCQ has worked in patients all over the world. Again, if you're only getting your news from fringe opinion sources then you'll have a skewed perspective on the facts.
That said, HCQ was never more than a stop gap until something better comes along. Based on weekly reports it appears a vaccine is on the horizon.
These Doctors I am talking to say it does. A patient here in Jacksonville at the beginning got it and could barely walk into Baptist South, said his chest X-ray was the worst they had seen so far. The Doctors gave it to him up front and he left the hospital without even going on a ventilator. Must have been a placebo effect
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/man-sends-goodbye-videos-to-family-thinking-he-may-die-from-covid-19-now-at-home-recovering/77-12b3a851-55c1-40f6-8ab0-08af0e66c525
Don't worry I'm not. The evidence from all the RCTs that HCQ doesn't work is overwhelming. I only posted that so I wouldn't have to make the same argument for the tenth time in this thread.
Edit: that guy is also a doctor who writes about science in his free time. I wouldn't call that "fringe" in the sense you are implying. Fringe better describes places like breitbart and OANN where you get news.
And all of the RCTs say it doesn't. One guy getting better isn't evidence.
The last 2 days shows a disturbing trend which hopefully is just a temporary blip.
These are the 10 states I thought needed the most attention a while back. The Tests/100k highlighted in light red are those where the testing rate is below the average of all states. Florida, Texas, Georgia, Alabama and Arizona all have low testing and high cases per new people tested. This should not happen as it understates cases (many more missed) and will lead to a higher CFR due to missed/delayed identification of cases and a false estimate of hospital needs in 2 weeks time.
Your example goes against the narrative. "HCQ doesn't work."
I think they call that TDS.
Why does this convince you but not RCTs?
Overwhelming evidence???
2 deaths out of 1234 is more overwhelming than the year we beat the snot out of Tech 51-7, and their fans emptied Sanford at halftime.
That article you linked used surprisingly unprofessional language. I almost asked if you had written it. I read all of it, and all of the linked studies. The guy was fixated on lack of method and controls, refusing to even acknowledge the astonishingly low rate of death. Instead, he chose to attack the lack of academic credentials for the doctors on the front lines, such as Zelenko. That is your typical out of touch academic wannabe elitist. The guy wouldn’t even acknowledge a closer look might be warranted. TWO DEAD OUT OF 1234, mostly high risk, including a nursing home!
Meanwhile, the study you linked showing it doesn’t work looked at a group of 100 or so that involved only 16 people who had actually tested positive. The rest were presumptive positive. Talk about sketchy methods and controls.
yeah methods and controls are incredibly important for determining if results are valid. Can you give me the name of the study you are referring to with only 100 people? The guy committed fraud. That is usually enough to destroy credibility. Everyone said HCQ warranted a closer look at the beginning including myself. The closer look as been had and it doesn't work. Once again observational studies do not prove a treatment does or does not work. We have RCTs that show it does not work.