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  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BobcatGrad said:

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:
    Biff Pocoroba catching?

    You beat me to mentioning Biff.

    I started following the Braves after my stint as the Yankees AAA Bat Boy in 1979 and running the scoreboard the following three years. During the 1982 Strike, the major league TV Crews were coming to Columbus to televise AAA games. I met the Atlanta Crew and the Yankees Broadcasting Team including the Scooter, Bill White and Mel Allen.

    Saw a lot of talent those four years including Cal Ripken, Jr., Don Mattingly and Mookie Wilson. When I moved to Richmond in 1988 it was unreal the talent that they had including David Justice, Chipper Jones, Blauser, Ron Gant and John Smoltz.

    That’s cool. Mattingly one of the best hitters in MLB history.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 2018

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    Even if by default we'll have somebody at each position.
    The open question is whether they will fill those roles well.
    We still have potential, but we're a good full season behind where we hoped to be in their development though.
    Last season was the targeted year for the rotation to take shape.
    This might be a make or break season for our projected rotation of the future.

  • BoroDawgBoroDawg Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Camargo had an unsustainable .364 BABIP last year, so his .299 average is going to come back down to earth. Couple that with the fact that he doesn’t walk or hit for power, you’re looking at a super utility type player and not a third baseman. Don’t get me wrong, he’ll play third this year because we don’t have any other viable options, but once Austin Riley is ready, Camargo shifts back into the utility role.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    WC, you are a brilliant man, but way off on this one. We had 2 guys in the rotation that were horrible and clearly past their prime. They were buying time for kids who were still in AA/AAA.

    I agree that the development has been about 30% slower, but this year is the year, not last year.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 2018

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    WC, you are a brilliant man, but way off on this one. We had 2 guys in the rotation that were horrible and clearly past their prime. They were buying time for kids who were still in AA/AAA.

    I agree that the development has been about 30% slower, but this year is the year, not last year.

    I'm not saying the young pitchers won't prove to be good, just that the stated target of having a viable young rotation when the team moved to Cobb was not met.
    No doubt management can't and shouldn't give up on these young pitchers yet, but history informs me the longer the wait, the less likely to see optimum results.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Ok, I see your logic. Yeah, they missed the eta in that regard

  • corai3corai3 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @corai3 said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

    Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
    One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

  • corai3corai3 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @corai3 said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

    Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
    One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

    Lets do a little comparision
    At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
    At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

    Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

  • PTDawgPTDawg Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

  • PTDawgPTDawg Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

    No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

    No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

    You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

    No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

    You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

    Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

    Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

  • corai3corai3 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

    No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

    You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

    Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

    Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

    http://m.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types/slider

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @corai3 said:

    @donm said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @PTDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    Not sure that 200 innings is the benchmark it once was with the way pens are managed these days. You've got your middle guy, your lefty specialist, your 7th/8th inning specialists, closer, etc. A guy has to pretty much be dealing to go past 7 innings these days. You multiply that x 30 starts and gets tough.

    I do think you're spot on about the timeline, though. If there isn't notable growth out of some combination of Folty, Fried, Gohara, etc then it will be a big concern. More time on the clock for Corona, Allard, Anderson. I'd probably push Wright more towards the first group given his age and college experience at Vandy.

    I think 200 innings is still very important.
    Somebody has to pitch and wearing out the pen is still a recipe to late season dives.
    There is nothing more valuable than eatting big innings at all star level performance.

    7x 36 = 252. If a starter can give you that many innings with a 3.20 or better ERA it helps the entire pitching staff.

    how many pitchers, elite or otherwise, had 250+ innings last year? The days of 300 inning pitchers is gone and I think 200+ is heading that same way.

    No one has hit 250 innings in the last 4 seasons. A small sample size to be sure but things are definitely appear headed towards further innings reduction. Only 15 pitchers hit even 200 innings in each of the past two seasons.

    You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

    Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

    Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

    http://m.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types/slider

    Cora 3 - thanks. Awesome little article. Much appreciated!!

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    You could play “Billy Ball” and go with a 4 man rotation.

    >
    Just read where one team is going to do just that. 4 man rotation and on the 5th day, they will use the bullpen a lot. Interesting questions - how did the 5 man rotation come about since it used to be a 4 man rotation for years/centuries?

    Anyone know who created the slider? There wasn't any such thing when I was a kid playing little league - only fast balls (4 seamers I would think) and curve balls. I remember when I saw my first curve ball - **** was going thru my mind.

    Awesome response Don! Yeah, Billy Martin ragged out a lot of arms with the A’s.

    Seems like the only survivors were Mike Norris and Dave Stewart. They were straight up innings eaters and rarely dominant.

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Ok, quick addendum, Norris had a Cy Young quality year and then tanked, due to a health condition and substance abuse.

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    @corai3 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @corai3 said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Bigcalidawg said:
    I’m just glad this years rotation has a solid 2 and 3.

    I have no clue who will emerge as the 1.

    That buffet buster in the rotation last year basically got paid to be a mascot.

    I'm not sure we have any truly solid starters. Even Julio has questions.
    Where are the consistently good 200 plus inning guys ?
    This is the year we need to see some starters deliver.

    For perspective.
    Name the starters you trust to pitch close to 200 innings and have an ERA under 4.00.

    My best guess is Folty will emerge as the #1, Julio will rebound and be #2, Gohara will be our best starter, but have injury problems......

    I really like Newcombe and hope he can get it together.

    i heard some announcers comparing Folty with Scherzer. They were throwing out some stats and they were pretty similar. I hope he is as successful as Scherzer.

    Folty is in no way in Scherzer's class
    One is a #3 starter on a good staff, the other is a 2 time Cy Young winner.

    Lets do a little comparision
    At age 25, Scherzer was 21-26. 3.69 ERA 422 IP 154 Walks 424 K's
    At age 25, Folty was 23-25. 4.87 ERA 382.2 IP 130 Walks 345 K's.

    Numbers look pretty similar to me considering Folty was 25 last season. Scherzer didn't gain his all star status until 28. Folty is still a couple years away.

    Those are actually not very similar. Folty walks more and strikes out fewer per innings pitched, and a full run difference in ERA is a lot before you even consider that the guy with the lower ERA also pitches in the AL.

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