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You see, the deal here is I'm pretty sure upper management has 0 interest in ticking off guys they think can be stars, and Collins already called out losing earlier and Young has made his interests clear in playing things out. Sit them down, you tick them off, and lose your leverage with them. That's the game you're playing here, as management you also have to make sure to stay on good terms with them.
So you have not much you can do outside of play them but limit their minutes, which I think happened vs Portland (and came with them being TICKED to the point where it was visible to people attending), and is possible in the future, and pull shenanigans with other players to try to tank.
GG. I think if upper management isn't proactive in this they have no business in this business.
If Pierce isn't in, and upper management is hands off, who do you think is involved in this ''soft tanking'' that isn't working AT ALL ?
Oh. The word I was looking for is incompetent, very, very INCOMPETENT.
Just for the record WC, a person cannot be VERY incompetent. He is either competent or incompetent. Degrees don't enter into it.
I think upper management is soft tanking and is in the business of good business of trying to not tick off guys that they think will be stars that already have cases in which if you sit them out period unless it's a legit injury, it'll make them mad. Like I've said in this thread, Collins already called out losing as bad and how it'll develop a losing culture earlier and Trae wants to play 82 games. They likely don't think an extra loss or two for ping pong balls will mean diddly compared to continuing to try play hard and learn.
No mas.
I think its important to play like you mean it for the development of a quite young roster. I do think that we should try to lose close games though. someone should tell trae young to stop shooting buzzer beaters
Just sit Young. Getting a 20 year kid directly involved could blow up on the team. No player need be told to not do his best, this is a management issue.
"Young, you've played well this season and you are the future of this franchise. We are shutting you down so you don't get hurt in the last few meaningless games. You are too important to go out like that."
I don't know why that's so hard to say to someone. It's not a lie and it doesn't mention tanking
YaleDawg….yep.
As far as the tanking goes, I think it is also important to acknowledge where you are in the season. I would never advocate going into a season with the goal of losing. If a young team is able to play above their heads, make a run and arrive a year or two early then that's great. That, however, is not what the situation is. In any meaningful sense this season is over in ATL.
In the NBA, the only reward for mediocrity is continued mediocrity. It is nearly impossible to come from the middle of the pack and become elite. The key is shrewd drafting and then mixing in effective free agents. Taking easy and clear steps over the last 7-8 games of a season would fall under the shrewd drafting piece.
The argument about not making the two young guys angry is a bit pointless. They will get over it if the team is able to grow, OR will both sign elsewhere if the franchise isnt competitive when their contracts are up. What happens over the next 7 games will be long forgotten 3 years from now. The way to increase your odds to be competitive is to get the Mavs pick. The way to improve the team quickly in order to attract free agents after next year and the year after is to get the Mavs pick
The sweet justice would be to play to win and then be the team who hits on a ping pong ball, sliding the Mavs back down to 6. If that doesn’t happen then you’ve damaged your future by wasting next year, when you could have had two more top picks learning to play with Young and Collins instead of just one. When the two 2020 picks finally hit the court, Collins will be in his fourth year in the league on a habitually losing team the whole time and looking forward to getting the heck away from Atlanta’s losing culture after one more season - in part because he wanted to win a few meaningless games this year.
BTW: Sounds like John Collins is sitting tomorrow. That continues to firm up my belief that they started to manipulate a little to lose beginning vs Portland. But at this point, Trae isn't going to get slapped with the "load management" deal. More likely that if they're going to do something like that, they let Trae start to get his 82 games deal, but limit minutes at times.
Collins sitting is highly likely enough for the L though in the next two games if they he does vs SA and ORL.