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Too soon!
WC, any way to factor in defense? I doubt we've got defensive analytics going back much further than the turn of the century, but it plays a quiet difference in ERA. I do think ERA is a stat that you can compare over eras and one that still proves useful, unlike wins, which have been fairly discredited as a true measure of performance.
CTD. I assume you mean the turn of the 21st century. There is a DWAR rating that goes back at least to the 1950s, I once compared Andruw Jones to Willy Mays in center field. Andruw had 7 seasons with higher DWAR ratings than Mays' best season. I'll take a look at Maddux's later. Really his defensive mastery shows up in his ERA though. His ability to get hitters to hit to spots does too. It's amazing how often our defense would move before a pitch and the ball went to the exact spot.
Combined WAR rating over their respective best 7 year stretches.
Pedro - 57.4
Greg - 52.9
Career WAR
Pedro - 83.9
Greg - 106.6
What is it good for?
Another -Good God ya'll, absolutely nothin …..wait a tick, quite a bit.
I always thought during Maddux's best run that no one could do anything with his pitches. He would force you into a weak swing, often early in the pitch count. I t allowed his pitch counts to consistently stay low and he could go deeper into games. Some of the dominant guys would have 130+ count 16 strikeout night, but couldn't follow it up the next time through.
Pedro was down right nasty with movement and unhittable for about a two year stretch. I'd without a doubt choose Maddux though for 162 game season.
My personal starting staff of players I actually watched would be
Maddux
Seaver
Pedro
Carlton
Smoltz
I loved Glavine, but he wasn't ever dominant in my opinion. He was always just good enough and one heck of a grinder.
Just good enough? You have a high bar.
I mean he always pitched just good enough to beat you, never dominated
He looked pretty dominant in game 6 in 1995 against the Indians
TND. my starting 5 that played during my time.
Maddux
Tom Seaver
Pedro Martinez
Jim Palmer
Clayton Kershaw ( based on the best 7 seasons formula).
Maddox said he considered 13 pitches per inning good work. Don’t see that much anymore.
donm, we never saw Maddux's level of efficiency from other pitchers.
Since we're touching on Maddux's efficiency...
Exactly , 24-4 , in 1985 , 1,53 era , rediculous year. Doc was a legend that year!