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Agree, Athens & UGA police seem to have a Napoleanic complex. I've been harassed by them as an adult, arrested as a UGA Freshman (illegally as once I got a lawyer, never heard from them again). So, it's not just African Americans that get BS treatment by police in Athens. It does seem that, since I graduated in 85, the Athens/UGA police do seem to target our football players for really silly stuff.
As far as some random person using a racial slur, welcome to the real world. UGA has roughly 30,000 students. A FEW of those probably are ignorant and say things like that. And you'd be hard pressed to sample 30,000 people anywhere and not find a few that would say racist things.
Otis is in for a tough ride in the real world, if he expects everyone to be "nice" to him.
Oh, and I'm white. So apparently police don't just target black people.
As others have said, and I've said stated, Reese fulfilled his obligation and so did UGA. Also, thank you for answering my question that Casanova is avoiding, as there is no cost to UGA for him to transfer.
Also, UGA needed to lose a few players to get to 85 scholarships, are we calling for Kirby's head for his lack of foresight/loyalty to these kids for being over the 85? I'm not, all parties are playing the "game" of what they need to do to put themselves in a better situation.
Do you expect Reese to just sit the bench for his whole career all in the name of loyalty and team? Because what I see is that he's a tweener (not really a safety, but not quite a linebacker in UGA's defense). He may fit another system better and get a chance to showcase his skills for a shot at the NFL. Can't blame him for that.
Now, why he transferred to another SEC school and expected to play right away is beyond me. Same with Cade.
My son is white, just turned 18 and had been stopped by white and black cops a total of 11 times, some reasons were legit, some were ****, I’m not saying Otis has or hasn’t experienced racism.... but from my experience where I work at, the race card seems to be pulled a lot when things don’t go a persons way they want it to.
11 times and he's 18?! The only time I see Wayne County Sheriffs move fast is when they are racing each other to Hog-N-Bones for lunch.
I remember back in the CRM years that he was very loyal to his players, almost to a fault and detriment to the team. If you had a scholarship with CMR, it generally meant you had it as long as you were at UGA. Meanwhile, Saban has been famously ruthless with his players over the years. He has no problem cutting kids to make room for better players. I think it's a good lesson to learn...if you want to be part of an elite level organization, prepare for heads to roll. The competition is ruthless at the top. The best 85 will get scholarships, regardless of seniority.
Oi vay... let's try this again.
The original idea... good, bad or indifferent, is as follows. Their are associated investment costs to recruiting (gas, food, hotels, airplane travel, marketing - see graphic design team etc. etc.) football players. We spent $3+M last year in recruiting. In addition there are scholarship costs, including books & tuition, tutors, housing, food, medical, travel and monthly stipend. I'm sure there are other expenses as well.
The idea is this... if the football player wants to transfer from school X to school Y - Y should pay the original investment costs to obtain and teach that student athlete. For our example, we'll say Georgia actively recruited Otis Reese for 2 years. The itemized recruiting costs would be added and then combined with the value of the scholarship used. Let's say Reese was an active student taking classes for 1.5 years. The total scholarship cost of those 1.5 years would be combined with the 2 year recruiting cost. School Y would reimburse school X for that combined amount. School Y gets what is perceived as a valuable player and school X gets compensated for the total investment in that student athlete.
This will never happen, so it's all moot.
I agree with all of that, except when you say there is "no cost to UGA". The program is investing time, energy, and money into the player. These are not infinite resources.
That is true, but the terms of the agreement are for one year. UGA has to factor in all those costs when recruiting players. That's why teams generally invest more money into recruiting better players, and the teams that invest more money into recruiting generally have more success on the field. It took UGA a few years to figure that out. The payback is that the player promises to attend UGA for a year and participate in the football program. Even if the kid never starts, he supported the team by providing better competition in practice to the actual starters (iron sharpens iron), and serves as a viable backup in games (depth).
In short, yes there is a cost...but it's paid back by the student once the scholarship year is over.
Newman is the guy I'm more upset about. How much time and effort did we put into that guy, only for him to say "eh, nevermind" at the last minute? We got nothing out of that deal.
Good point. I keep viewing this as a 4 year commitment. When in reality it's a 1 year commitment with the expectancy of renewal x4.
Yes, there is costs for UGA, but players trade their student-athlete services for those costs. Some folks are ignoring this, as I’m sure Reese has a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into his training/team/studies. That’s what he traded UGA for his one-year scholarship.
And as I told Casanova earlier, the “trade” of goods and services (listed above) has already taken place before the player transfers, so no school is going to compensate the other school for a transfer.
If an employee leaves a company after a year or two, does the company charge the new employer a transfer fee, since they had to spend time/money on training them, HR expenses, Indeed/LinkedIn recruitment costs, etc.? Didn’t think so.
In the vast majority (99.9%) I'm sure you are right, however there are instances where it does happen. Ever watch moneyball? The Peter Brandt character is included in a trade, not a player but a personnel guy. I know it happens from time to time in business too. And while you are technically correct on the 1 year contract vs the 4 year contract I don't think it is that cut and dry. I would imagine looking into the contract that it is up to the university's discretion whether or not the contract is optioned for extra years rather than the players otherwise there would be no stopping the "free agency" aspect of transfers. I've never been a scholarship athlete so I don't know that for a fact however I doubt the players go and sign a new contract every year.
Yeah, I generally speak to the 99.9%, not the 0.1%. And yes, it’s up to the school if they want to add additional years onto it, but it’s also up to the player if they want to say “no thanks” and leave.
Yes The player is free to go elsewhere but they have to have a release to go anywhere they want without repercussions.
Nobody but the parties involved know what really transpired. That said, since OR decided to throw UGA under the bus, I hope the SEC denies his waiver request and he begins his Ole Miss adventure next year.