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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @JKFlyfish said:

    @Denmen185 said:
    For the front 3 2018 we have:
    Soph - Wyatt, Herring, Beal (?)
    JR - Rochester, Carter, Clark, Marshall, Young, Barnett (moved back last season)
    SR - Ledbetter, Hawkins-Muckle.

    There is a lot of both talent and experience amongst that group that should carry over to 2019 season. 1 more would be helpful but the cupboard is not bare.

    Hmmm I was under the impression that Beal was going to be playing OLB, not interior d line? Is that right?

    We're fine at OLB/DE, we can't really lump in those positions with the interior where it takes 300lb guys though.
    The true interior players we'll have are..
    Hawkins-Muckle. The only dedicated NT
    Carter
    Clark
    Rochester
    Wyatt

    That leaves us with just a 2 deep rotation at DT and having to use one of them to sub at NT, that is razor thin unless Davis or Walthour is ready.

    This and previous posts are based on the assumption that we play 3 interior linemen plus a DE which is not the case.

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @JKFlyfish said:

    @Denmen185 said:
    For the front 3 2018 we have:
    Soph - Wyatt, Herring, Beal (?)
    JR - Rochester, Carter, Clark, Marshall, Young, Barnett (moved back last season)
    SR - Ledbetter, Hawkins-Muckle.

    There is a lot of both talent and experience amongst that group that should carry over to 2019 season. 1 more would be helpful but the cupboard is not bare.

    Hmmm I was under the impression that Beal was going to be playing OLB, not interior d line? Is that right?

    We're fine at OLB/DE, we can't really lump in those positions with the interior where it takes 300lb guys though.
    The true interior players we'll have are..
    Hawkins-Muckle. The only dedicated NT
    Carter
    Clark
    Rochester
    Wyatt

    That leaves us with just a 2 deep rotation at DT and having to use one of them to sub at NT, that is razor thin unless Davis or Walthour is ready.

    So Herring, Marshall, Young and Ledbetter won't play this year? All of these guys have rotated in and played well to very well.

    Those guys are not DTs or NTs, so they are not true interior linemen. They will play DE and in some cases ILB.

    I think you're mistaken. All of our dlinemen are interchangeable dt's, de's except the ones who are true nt's. Hawkins-Muckle and Rochester will be the primary nt's. All of the others can play dt or de. Fairly certain Marshall slid inside some when both Bellamy and Carter were on the field last year.

    No, I'm correct.
    I'm referring to the 3 interior positions that are constant in our defense.
    When we use any other alignment Marshall and other players will play to either side of these core interior players.
    Use common sense, have you ever seen us line up with 270lb players at those 3 positions ?

    BTW Walthour is 270lbs I believe so likely a DE

    Walthour was likely closer to 285lb his senior season.
    He will without doubt be 300lb or more when plays for Georgia. He is nowhere near what his frame will carry.
    But I didn't list him for the 2018 rotation because he might not be ready to play.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @georgiaboy said:

    @Teddy said:

    @Denmen185 said:
    The 2017 Depth chart shows
    NT - Atkins, Rochester
    LE - Thompson, Clark
    RE - Ledbetter, Marshall, Carter.

    2018 (AJC proj) shows
    NT - Rochester, Wyatt
    DT - Clark, Herring
    DE - Ledbetter, Marshall, Cox

    This does not include Barnett (DT), Hawkins-Muckle (NT/DT), Young (DE) or Young (DE).

    The thing to understand is that the interior line is NOT 1 DE, 2 DT and 1 NT. that's 4 and we only ever played 3 (3-4 D) last year. 5 man front was 3 DL and 2 OLB or when we dropped to 4 man front it was 3 DL and 1 OLB. You either include the DE in your 3 man rotation or if you exclude the DE the DT/NT is a 2 man rotation.

    NT - Rochester, Wyatt is the part that's worrying some folks (Hawkins-Muckle can be thrown in there to complete the 3 deep). Hawkins-Muckle is a senior who has contributed just a little his first 3 years, Rochester is a junior and could leave early with a good year, and Wyatt is already a sophomore. We need to infuse some young talent and allow them to develop a year or so before they're absolutely called upon. It's not a huge issue, but an injury or two and we're looking real thin all of a sudden. I understand that we play a 3-4 defense, but on early run downs Atkins was in there at NT with 1 DT and 1 DE to complete the 3. I don't think anyone thinks we play 4 man front, we are just saying NT, as some on here are lumping all the DTs as possible replacement for Atkins, which isn't the case.

    No, he wasn’t just talking about NT. He was talking NT and DT. My point is NT is the only stand alone position on our DL. Our DE/DT are interchangeable.

    You don't line up a 270lb DE next to the NT except perhaps on an occasional 3rd and long, and likely not then either.

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  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2018

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    But the point is our rotation is 3 interior linemen which is 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 DT not 1 NT and 2 DT as you keep suggesting.
    In fact our starters were typically Carter (zo), Clark, Atkins, Ledbetter, Bellamy

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  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    ^^^^ Ledbetter, Marshall, etc. NEVER played OLB

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  • Tdub0199Tdub0199 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @JKFlyfish said:

    @Denmen185 said:
    For the front 3 2018 we have:
    Soph - Wyatt, Herring, Beal (?)
    JR - Rochester, Carter, Clark, Marshall, Young, Barnett (moved back last season)
    SR - Ledbetter, Hawkins-Muckle.

    There is a lot of both talent and experience amongst that group that should carry over to 2019 season. 1 more would be helpful but the cupboard is not bare.

    Hmmm I was under the impression that Beal was going to be playing OLB, not interior d line? Is that right?

    We're fine at OLB/DE, we can't really lump in those positions with the interior where it takes 300lb guys though.
    The true interior players we'll have are..
    Hawkins-Muckle. The only dedicated NT
    Carter
    Clark
    Rochester
    Wyatt

    That leaves us with just a 2 deep rotation at DT and having to use one of them to sub at NT, that is razor thin unless Davis or Walthour is ready.

    This and previous posts are based on the assumption that we play 3 interior linemen plus a DE which is not the case.

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @JKFlyfish said:

    @Denmen185 said:
    For the front 3 2018 we have:
    Soph - Wyatt, Herring, Beal (?)
    JR - Rochester, Carter, Clark, Marshall, Young, Barnett (moved back last season)
    SR - Ledbetter, Hawkins-Muckle.

    There is a lot of both talent and experience amongst that group that should carry over to 2019 season. 1 more would be helpful but the cupboard is not bare.

    Hmmm I was under the impression that Beal was going to be playing OLB, not interior d line? Is that right?

    We're fine at OLB/DE, we can't really lump in those positions with the interior where it takes 300lb guys though.
    The true interior players we'll have are..
    Hawkins-Muckle. The only dedicated NT
    Carter
    Clark
    Rochester
    Wyatt

    That leaves us with just a 2 deep rotation at DT and having to use one of them to sub at NT, that is razor thin unless Davis or Walthour is ready.

    So Herring, Marshall, Young and Ledbetter won't play this year? All of these guys have rotated in and played well to very well.

    Those guys are not DTs or NTs, so they are not true interior linemen. They will play DE and in some cases ILB.

    I think you're mistaken. All of our dlinemen are interchangeable dt's, de's except the ones who are true nt's. Hawkins-Muckle and Rochester will be the primary nt's. All of the others can play dt or de. Fairly certain Marshall slid inside some when both Bellamy and Carter were on the field last year.

    No, I'm correct.
    I'm referring to the 3 interior positions that are constant in our defense.
    When we use any other alignment Marshall and other players will play to either side of these core interior players.
    Use common sense, have you ever seen us line up with 270lb players at those 3 positions ?

    BTW Walthour is 270lbs I believe so likely a DE

    Walthour was likely closer to 285lb his senior season.
    He will without doubt be 300lb or more when plays for Georgia. He is nowhere near what his frame will carry.
    But I didn't list him for the 2018 rotation because he might not be ready to play.

    He's working to get to 300 lbs

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    But the point is our rotation is 3 interior linemen which is 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 DT not 1 NT and 2 DT as you keep suggesting.

    I worded it poorly perhaps.
    In a 3-4 the 3 interior guys are going to be the true DTs and a NT.
    In a 4-3 the 4 interior guys are going to be the DTs, Ledbetter may have been at 1 of the outside DT positions on some plays though.
    The point stands in any formation we will have at least 3 guys right at 300lb or bigger. That means we will be pushed to put a good 2 deep together from the experienced guys we'll have for the 2018 season. That's counting Wyatt's CC experience.

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  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    But the point is our rotation is 3 interior linemen which is 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 DT not 1 NT and 2 DT as you keep suggesting.

    I worded it poorly perhaps.
    In a 3-4 the 3 interior guys are going to be the true DTs and a NT.
    In a 4-3 the 4 interior guys are going to be the DTs, Ledbetter may have been at 1 of the outside DT positions on some plays though.
    The point stands in any formation we will have at least 3 guys right at 300lb or bigger. That means we will be pushed to put a good 2 deep together from the experienced guys we'll have for the 2018 season. That's counting Wyatt's CC experience.

    THE 3 IN THE 3-4 ARE 1 NT, 1 DT AND 1 DE.

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  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Homework

    https://www.dawgnation.com/football/georgia-defensive-line-big-players-replace-big-returning

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  • georgiaboygeorgiaboy Posts: 846 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    I see reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit. Never said Bellamy played inside.
    You must not be watching the same games that @Denmen185 and I watched.

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  • georgiaboygeorgiaboy Posts: 846 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2018

    @WCDawg said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    But the point is our rotation is 3 interior linemen which is 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 DT not 1 NT and 2 DT as you keep suggesting.

    I worded it poorly perhaps.
    In a 3-4 the 3 interior guys are going to be the true DTs and a NT.
    In a 4-3 the 4 interior guys are going to be the DTs, Ledbetter may have been at 1 of the outside DT positions on some plays though.
    The point stands in any formation we will have at least 3 guys right at 300lb or bigger. That means we will be pushed to put a good 2 deep together from the experienced guys we'll have for the 2018 season. That's counting Wyatt's CC experience.

    You so don’t have a freaking clue what you’re talking about! Use some of that common sense you have and quit while you’re ahead.

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  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BojanglesInsider said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    But the point is our rotation is 3 interior linemen which is 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 DT not 1 NT and 2 DT as you keep suggesting.

    I worded it poorly perhaps.
    In a 3-4 the 3 interior guys are going to be the true DTs and a NT.
    In a 4-3 the 4 interior guys are going to be the DTs, Ledbetter may have been at 1 of the outside DT positions on some plays though.
    The point stands in any formation we will have at least 3 guys right at 300lb or bigger. That means we will be pushed to put a good 2 deep together from the experienced guys we'll have for the 2018 season. That's counting Wyatt's CC experience.

    THE 3 IN THE 3-4 ARE 1 NT, 1 DT AND 1 DE.

    WELL THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS SINCE YOU'RE TALKING TO WCDAWG I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE TO YELL

    I need a biscuit :D

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  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Denmen185 said:

    @BojanglesInsider said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    But the point is our rotation is 3 interior linemen which is 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 DT not 1 NT and 2 DT as you keep suggesting.

    I worded it poorly perhaps.
    In a 3-4 the 3 interior guys are going to be the true DTs and a NT.
    In a 4-3 the 4 interior guys are going to be the DTs, Ledbetter may have been at 1 of the outside DT positions on some plays though.
    The point stands in any formation we will have at least 3 guys right at 300lb or bigger. That means we will be pushed to put a good 2 deep together from the experienced guys we'll have for the 2018 season. That's counting Wyatt's CC experience.

    THE 3 IN THE 3-4 ARE 1 NT, 1 DT AND 1 DE.

    WELL THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS SINCE YOU'RE TALKING TO WCDAWG I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE TO YELL

    I need a biscuit :D

    Does this discussion pertain to 7man football too?

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  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @BojanglesInsider said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Denmen185 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @georgiaboy said:
    The 4 guys I named right there for you along with Rochester, Atkins, Hawkins-Muckle, etc. Example across the line...Carter, Ledbetter, Atkins, Marshall, Bellamy.

    I know Bellamy never lined up in any of the 3 or 4 inside positions. I sure don't recall Marshall or Ledbetter doing so either. It's a very different thing to line up next to a DT in either a 3-4 or 4-3 and being one of the guys in the center of the LOS.

    But the point is our rotation is 3 interior linemen which is 1 DE, 1 NT and 1 DT not 1 NT and 2 DT as you keep suggesting.

    I worded it poorly perhaps.
    In a 3-4 the 3 interior guys are going to be the true DTs and a NT.
    In a 4-3 the 4 interior guys are going to be the DTs, Ledbetter may have been at 1 of the outside DT positions on some plays though.
    The point stands in any formation we will have at least 3 guys right at 300lb or bigger. That means we will be pushed to put a good 2 deep together from the experienced guys we'll have for the 2018 season. That's counting Wyatt's CC experience.

    THE 3 IN THE 3-4 ARE 1 NT, 1 DT AND 1 DE.

    WELL THAT'S ONE WAY TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS SINCE YOU'RE TALKING TO WCDAWG I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE TO YELL

    I need a biscuit :D

    Does this discussion pertain to 7man football too?

    Yes, I always need a biscuit!

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  • ThelordjohnsonThelordjohnson Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    NT - Rochester, Wyatt, Davis (RS)
    DT - Clark, Carter/Herring, Walthour (RS)

    Davis and Walthour will RS to get in shape and gain weight respectively. They will also probably be there til there RS Sr years meaning the keep depth longer. We are in good position with a top DT in Walker next year. DE we are set and have a good track on top guys next season. We will be okay. We are slowly getting younger and better but still have key experienced pieces. Scott teaches good techniques!!!

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  • HotDiggetyDawgHotDiggetyDawg Posts: 109 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Seeing some saltiness in this thread. Kind of like it with the tension set into place for tomorrow. Just remember, at the end of the day, at least we're not fans of any other loser team in the East like Volunteers for Shutouts, Female Prostitute Genital Necks, or Lizards. Just trying to throw in some silver lining for the group.

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