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Why does everyone think that UF stands a chance of beating us?

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    christopheruleschristopherules Posts: 14,296 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2018

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:

    not worried

    @JoelSidneyKelly
    GREAT POST!!! GO DAWGS!!!

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    BamaDawgBamaDawg Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BigGAdawg said:

    @BamaDawg said:
    Anyone who doesnt believe that we could lose on any given saturday (with a few exceptions) needs to put the kool aid down. Think OSU thought they were going to lose when last year's team left for an easy game in the state of Iowa? Think Custard was worried about losing?

    I'm all for confidence, and have preached it here before. But being blindy cocky is asking for trouble.

    Blindly cocky and confidant are two different things

    I'm not for sure if you are agreeing with me or not. I thought my post distinguishes between the two. Maybe not.

    So I will say it again, I'm all for confidence, but being blindly cocky is asking for trouble.

    Can they win? Sure, but not this year, so long as we go into the game, and every game we play, taking the other team seriously. We should still be confident in our team.

    Have i said anything that would disagree with what you said. My only problem with anything in this thread was people saying there was no way UF could beat us.

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    dbrown7494dbrown7494 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Here’s the thing I know we play them at the end of October but Mullen still got to pick a QB and I don’t think his options are that great. Franks a sophomore who only had flashes of being great but still not a great passer. Then you have the freshman options which puts you at square one again. To top that off the amount of play makers on the offensive side of the ball are not many. I think James Robinson is the best receiver and an okay RB but not much else.
    Also they are replacing a couple of their top Dlineman which one is projected to be late 1st or early 2nd round.

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    dawfanfromalabamdawfanfromalabam Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Dawgs will run through UF defense worse than last year. Only question mark is can UF find an offense under Mullen and how will the Dawg D have jelled by late October.

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    3rdshift3rdshift Posts: 546 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @WCDawg said:

    @3rdshift said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @VaBeachDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @jgf1031 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @jgf1031 said:
    I'm writing this game off as a W as well. Sure, it's a rivalry game, but UF is in re-build mode, not reload like we are. I'm banking on a 34-17 type win.

    There is no history to prove we're in a ''reload'' cycle ..YET.
    Bama has perpetual #1 classes going back as far as any non-true freshman on their team.
    So their depth and training of talent still exceeds our roster.
    We're at least a year away from having their level of stockpiled veteran talent to replace those we lose.

    We have more depth than UF by FAR. But either way, the fact still stands that they are re-building, we are not.

    We really have little gauge of where UF is, we only have how they performed under a previous staff to go by.
    They have recruited well enough to field a good team.
    Also, we did lose a lot in both production and leadership, all at key positions.
    We're ''rebuilding'' the secondary, ILB and OLB units, our top RBs, LT and leading receiver from 2017 are also gone.

    if you dont think we are reloading at running back i dont know what else to do for you. Swift and Holyfield as your 1/2 and a very underappreciated herrian at 3. plus the #1 and #3 running backs coming in a fresh blood... as far as Wynn moving on, how many SEC teams have a guy the caliber of Andrew Thomas coming in to take the job at LT? as a true soph he will be one of the better lineman in the entire conference next year. several guys at OLB showed tons of potential if given the opportunity to contribute this year. i agree lots of talent left but some of yall talk like they guys on the roster now will not make any reasonable improvements over last year. the only place a see significant drop off is at ILB only because roquan was that special.

    Only Swift has proven he's in either Chubb's or Sony's class as a player.
    As for Thomas, it's not clear he'll even win the LT job yet, but obviously he's a mature and proven talent.
    As for replacing Roquan with equal results, it ain't happening.
    The secondary we lost was together for most of 4 seasons, that will be tough to counter.
    Also while neither Carter or Bellamy developed as pass rushers the way many thought they would, last season they were excellent at holding the edge on running downs, that was critical in our success on defense.

    ok... ill play
    the caliber of the uga rb room can run as well or better than anyone in the country...? is always how quickly and if they will embrace blocking (some of the top rb have known they were power 5 players in middle school. They know they have to block to get paid one day. this causes guys who will prob not get paid one day but want to play... to block as well)
    If thomas is not on the field we are going backwards and thats a problem. (imo no way he does not start)
    roquan is a uga legend ...but had things he was poor at...plenty has been said and written about his weaknesses when engaging larger blockers.....so for us to have the talent to scheme to the opponent on a down by down basis ...much like the nfl....is a positive for us in the long run. So is he a loss? ...uh yea...but we have multiple guys filling his gaps...and the next great uga lb will be up next...or group..
    secondary was not irreplaceable ...for example...all the things kirby put out in the press that rich needs to work on...are the same things dom did his entire career...parrish was always picked on...even though he was usually in great position and saw the play correctly...he had a tough time finishing the play...(look at the targets in the playoffs last yr)
    tough to counter your last point ...but i would give more credit to the scheme as a whole...while walker was allowed go on occasion...i think the scheme was set up to set the edges and allow the linebackers to work...thus allowing roquan to shine..

    Proven veterans vs unproven rookies...hmmm.
    Please review the 247 5 star RBs from the past 5 years, how many turned out as dominant backs equal to where Sony and Chubb were in 2017 ?
    White was a great hs back, so was Jasper Sanks, White is also coming off an ACL injury.
    Cook looks very good, but he's undersized, and again, unproven.
    Holyfield can be a beast, but he's yet to carry the load and he's had years of struggle in pass-pro.

    We have great POTENTIAL under Swift, but it's far from a sure thing.

    As for your assessment of Roquan...please.

    Ill take talent over experience all day. esp in d1 sports where the talent gap is so vast.
    dominant is a relative term...sony embraced the work ethic that chubb had along with a realistic shot of what could be ...there example was tg3....having guys on your team that have the $talent, drive, brains....and day 2 day grind discipline to sacrifice what it takes ....rubbs off on some...lot of power 5 guys have the talent...but little or none of the other things mentioned...from everything we know about white...he has that chip on my shoulder, herschel, chubb, or even thomas brown type work ethic. Its rare...but a tough lifestyle to embrace...I would say that trait of mental discipline is what separates white from that other guy you mentioned.
    All acl injuries are not created equal...if he has some injury prone thing...thats another story...but it wasn't a tg3 or chubb type injury...white finished that game if i remember correctly. With todays tech He should recover fine.
    I agree cook is a wild card at this point..but with the pitt boss and his great wall ...a smaller back may not get much early contact allowing him to shine a bit...who knows....
    holyfield has great vision and can block if he has the discipline to study and put in the work ...I agree his struggles to pick it up have kept him off the field...but with swifts emergence behind chubb and sony ...i am anxious to see if his discipline pics up now that he can get some run.
    again ill say roquan is a uga legend...and has pro bowl potential ...but check the rose bowl film...he got bullied a good bit ...but hey ....he is a rich man walking. (side note ...i didn't think I would ever be so happy as to have jarvis w comeback from the left coast.... same feeling when roquan chose then spurned the left coast to stay home)

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    SWARLES_BARKLEYSWARLES_BARKLEY Posts: 308 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Dan Mullen could have walked into the UF locker room the day of the Cocktail Party this past fall, read the playbook during warmups, and the result would have been significantly better. Wouldn't have been competitive, but the offense would have had a pulse. McElwain was the worst gameday coach in the SEC last year, and they just replaced him with one of the best.

    I don't think UF is up for a division run, but we will not have many, if any, opportunities to beat a Mullen coached Florida team like we beat them last year.

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    DawginSCDawginSC Posts: 792 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @3rdshift said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @VaBeachDawg said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @jgf1031 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @jgf1031 said:
    I'm writing this game off as a W as well. Sure, it's a rivalry game, but UF is in re-build mode, not reload like we are. I'm banking on a 34-17 type win.

    There is no history to prove we're in a ''reload'' cycle ..YET.
    Bama has perpetual #1 classes going back as far as any non-true freshman on their team.
    So their depth and training of talent still exceeds our roster.
    We're at least a year away from having their level of stockpiled veteran talent to replace those we lose.

    We have more depth than UF by FAR. But either way, the fact still stands that they are re-building, we are not.

    We really have little gauge of where UF is, we only have how they performed under a previous staff to go by.
    They have recruited well enough to field a good team.
    Also, we did lose a lot in both production and leadership, all at key positions.
    We're ''rebuilding'' the secondary, ILB and OLB units, our top RBs, LT and leading receiver from 2017 are also gone.

    if you dont think we are reloading at running back i dont know what else to do for you. Swift and Holyfield as your 1/2 and a very underappreciated herrian at 3. plus the #1 and #3 running backs coming in a fresh blood... as far as Wynn moving on, how many SEC teams have a guy the caliber of Andrew Thomas coming in to take the job at LT? as a true soph he will be one of the better lineman in the entire conference next year. several guys at OLB showed tons of potential if given the opportunity to contribute this year. i agree lots of talent left but some of yall talk like they guys on the roster now will not make any reasonable improvements over last year. the only place a see significant drop off is at ILB only because roquan was that special.

    Only Swift has proven he's in either Chubb's or Sony's class as a player.
    As for Thomas, it's not clear he'll even win the LT job yet, but obviously he's a mature and proven talent.
    As for replacing Roquan with equal results, it ain't happening.
    The secondary we lost was together for most of 4 seasons, that will be tough to counter.
    Also while neither Carter or Bellamy developed as pass rushers the way many thought they would, last season they were excellent at holding the edge on running downs, that was critical in our success on defense.

    ok... ill play
    the caliber of the uga rb room can run as well or better than anyone in the country...? is always how quickly and if they will embrace blocking (some of the top rb have known they were power 5 players in middle school. They know they have to block to get paid one day. this causes guys who will prob not get paid one day but want to play... to block as well)
    If thomas is not on the field we are going backwards and thats a problem. (imo no way he does not start)
    roquan is a uga legend ...but had things he was poor at...plenty has been said and written about his weaknesses when engaging larger blockers.....so for us to have the talent to scheme to the opponent on a down by down basis ...much like the nfl....is a positive for us in the long run. So is he a loss? ...uh yea...but we have multiple guys filling his gaps...and the next great uga lb will be up next...or group..
    secondary was not irreplaceable ...for example...all the things kirby put out in the press that rich needs to work on...are the same things dom did his entire career...parrish was always picked on...even though he was usually in great position and saw the play correctly...he had a tough time finishing the play...(look at the targets in the playoffs last yr)
    tough to counter your last point ...but i would give more credit to the scheme as a whole...while walker was allowed go on occasion...i think the scheme was set up to set the edges and allow the linebackers to work...thus allowing roquan to shine..

    Proven veterans vs unproven rookies...hmmm.
    Please review the 247 5 star RBs from the past 5 years, how many turned out as dominant backs equal to where Sony and Chubb were in 2017 ?
    White was a great hs back, so was Jasper Sanks, White is also coming off an ACL injury.
    Cook looks very good, but he's undersized, and again, unproven.
    Holyfield can be a beast, but he's yet to carry the load and he's had years of struggle in pass-pro.

    We have great POTENTIAL under Swift, but it's far from a sure thing.

    As for your assessment of Roquan...please.

    Not all guys play right away with heavy minutes... but for the last 5 years there are quite a few 5-star guys who've done quite well.

    From last year's freshman class:
    Najee Harris looks legit. Cam Akers was a 1000 yard rusher. We know what Deandre Swift did.
    Jury is out on Stephen Carr and Khalan Laborn.

    2016:
    Miles Sanders looks like a miss. He was the only 5-star on 247 at RB.

    2015:
    Damien Harris has 2 1000 yard seasons.
    Soso Jamabo looks like a miss.

    2014:
    Leonard Fournette, Sony Michel, Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon were all excellent.
    Roc Thomas was a miss.

    2013:
    Kelvin Taylor was a 1000 yard back.
    Thomas Tyner, Keith Ford and Derrick Green were misses.

    Those are the 5-star backs for the last 5 years. 9 were very productive. Jury is still out on 2. 5 were misses. It's a greater than 50% hit rate.

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    UnderDog68UnderDog68 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawfanfromalabam said:
    Dawgs will run through UF defense worse than last year. Only question mark is can UF find an offense under Mullen and how will the Dawg D have jelled by late October.

    Grantham as their DC doesn't scare me much. Anyone remember 'Third and Grantham?'

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    WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2018

    @SWARLES_BARKLEY said:
    Dan Mullen could have walked into the UF locker room the day of the Cocktail Party this past fall, read the playbook during warmups, and the result would have been significantly better. Wouldn't have been competitive, but the offense would have had a pulse. McElwain was the worst gameday coach in the SEC last year, and they just replaced him with one of the best.

    I don't think UF is up for a division run, but we will not have many, if any, opportunities to beat a Mullen coached Florida team like we beat them last year.

    I agree Mullin could have done far more with the roster UF had last year, and he'll do more with this year's roster than their old staff would have.
    I won't say we can't dominate them though, I won't put a ceiling on our staff and roster.
    We can't judge how competitive UF will be this season based on last year though, Mullin is a huge X-Factor.

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    UnderDog68UnderDog68 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Ah, I wish for the good old days.....Back when Dooley went 17-7-1 vs. UF....won 14 of 17 from 1971 to 1988....and went on a 12-2 run from 1974-1988. When we won, it was expected. When we lost, we were like....What in tarnation just happened?!

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