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I get you. Im a Duke fan basketball wise and Carter and Bagley made him look goofy. As for the late picks if Atlanta wants to trust the process. Mitchell, Simmons, and Duval are all 5 star prospects that haven't fully developed.
What ?
Duke played MSU once last season. Bagley scored 4 pts and had 6 reb .Carter had 12 pts 12 reb, Jackson had 19 pts, 7 reb and 3 blks, he was 17 years old at the time.
Still, most of Bagley's best games came against the best teams Duke played, that is a very good sign.
I wonder if the new coach wants to keep Dennis, or ship em
If he's mentioned Schroder I haven't heard about it.
I know he puts a premium on defense though, and DS has been lazy in that area.
Good defense in the NBA is becoming a rarity.
I'm sorry fellas, but the Hawks nor Falcons not have a clue on how to win a championship. I've given up on the hawks. The Falcons, IMO, will never win with Matt Ryan...
I think offense is the difference, not poor defense.
The motion offenses favored today are designed to keep the ball moving and thus scoring at a quicker rate than eras where the ball was often fed to a center in the low post.
Long mobile defenders are now more valuable than massive low post defenders of other eras.
If you want a statistic to show why mobile perimeter players have gained favor, 3 pt attempts have increased over 40% per game in the past 7 years after being fairly steady since the 1980s.
This has devalued, the center position low post centric defense and back to the basket low post offense.
The best way to get good perimeter shots is through 5 man motion.
So these former ''tweeners'' are now the most important players on most teams.
Just looking at the stats isnt enough. Bagley and Carter got in bad foul trouble. Jackson had a good statistic game but looked behind and Bagley though not as young skipped his senior year. If Bagley is there he's the obvious candidate. A guy I havent seen much talk of is maybe Porter *if his medical checks out.
I dont think there are any game changers in this draft like last years but there will be grear role players and second pieces throughout.
Sorry, but Bagley did not make Jackson or anybody else look silly against MSU, he had 4 pts, JJ had 19 pts 7 boards and 3 blks.
There are quite a few games against top opponents where Bagley was at his best, but he wasn't a factor in the MSU game.
I really think this is a superior draft field to last year's, and there are several potential franchise players.
The players who could anchor a team..
Bagley
Jackson
Ayton
Porter
Doncic
Young
Bamba ( defensive anchor)
There isn't a Lebron in there, but there may well be top 10 in the league players.
I saw a discussion about the possibility Phoenix might trade the rights to the top pick to Atlanta with The Hawks giving up the #3 pick in this draft and the 1st rd pick they get from Cleveland next year.
The Hawks would take Ayton and The Suns would take Doncic.
I'm just pondering now.
I posed the question ( to my own bad self) of which, if any players in this draft might someday lead the NBA in scoring while also averaging 10 reb.
There are only 2 possibilities,
1. Bagley
2. Ayton
When I look at NBA stats that is a combo where top stars often merge.
Does that make them a cinch to be more valuable to a team than a player like Doncic, or even Jackson ? I'd say no, but it is an elite combination of contributions.
your point is well taken about the combo and all. I don't think, however, that Bagley is the type to lead the NBA in scoring. For sure he could be a 10+ rebound guy.
What I'm looking at with Bagley scoring wise is he put 30+ points up against Duke's toughest opponents. Most of his best games came against top 10 teams. All he lacks is arm length when I look at how his game might translate to The NBA. He won't be a top defensive player, that is a big negative in my book.
Ayton has the misfortune of coming along in the wrong era. He has Olajuwan like gifts, but it's not a low post centric league now.